10mm Auto For Bear Defense

[Rolan_Kraps]

Maybe she just needs different grips?

 

[Evil One]

Sounds more like she should be traded in on a different model


Jim

 

[somecomeget]

10mm bear defense

10MM = ~same muzzle energy as a .22 Hornet....Have fun!

The increase of velocity of a projectile increases it's energy exponentially. That is a good point. Is that what you are trying to say? But don't forget ballistic co-efficients. A .22 Hornet is a poor caliber because it's not efficient for what it is. A 22LR is very efficient. Plus a 22 hornet is a 35 grain slug, a 10mm is a 180 grain slug on average. No, it's not even the same ball park in stopping power because a Hornet has to be shot from a very long barrel to obtain that energy. You are comparing rifles to pistols.

 

[GUNFUNCO]

No experience with big bears but if a 10mm Glock is what she can handle well, it probably beats a sharp stick.

Maybe carry the sharp stick and a 45-70 lever gun as well.

In any case, she would have 15 rounds at her disposal which she may need. Better to hit well with a 10mm than to miss with a 44.

 

[Jst1mr]

The increase of velocity of a projectile increases it's energy exponentially. That is a good point. Is that what you are trying to say? But don't forget ballistic co-efficients. A .22 Hornet is a poor caliber because it's not efficient for what it is. A 22LR is very efficient. Plus a 22 hornet is a 35 grain slug, a 10mm is a 180 grain slug on average. No, it's not even the same ball park in stopping power because a Hornet has to be shot from a very long barrel to obtain that energy. You are comparing rifles to pistols.

Understood - the statement was made with tongue firmly in cheek. I am amused by these persistent "bear protection" threads. I am sure you can find that someone/somewhere killed an 800lb grizzly with a .22LR, but... If you don't understand bears and insist upon putting yourself at risk, there is no substitue for a heavy caliber lever rifle or shotgun, period.

 

[oldRoger]

And put me firmly in the rifle with a heavy solid bullets corner. A nice double in 416 Gibbs or 45-70 might about do the job and not be too awkward to carry.
Supposedly this is about sudden attacks not hunting bears. A grizzly accelerates fast and can cover about 50’ in a second or two.
Since we are talking about a sudden unexpected attack you don’t need to worry about a lot of shots, you won’t get to make them.
(I have a 1006 & BB 200gr FMJ & 1200fps I do not consider it a dangerous game gun)

 

[somecomeget]

10mm bear defense

.22 Hornet gets 2600 or 2700 feet per second from a rifle and could dispatch a bear.... but it's such a small caliber that it's only really good for small game, you know 35 or 40 or 50 grain slug is going to have energy but the transfering of that energy is going to be questionable for any animal especially a large, strong, big boned, thick skinned, heavily muscled animal; but even for just man sized threats, the military selected the .223 remington or 5.56 Nato over calibers like .22 hornet and naturally the .223 with the 68 grain bullet being noted for better stopping power but more so for it's wounding ability. If you are going to carry a .22 then you might as well carry a mini-14. Actually I'd feel just fine defending myself with a mini-14 or mini-30. But the idea is that the sidearm is there when you least expect to meet the bear. If the firearm is not on your person 24-7 while in the woods, chances are it's not going to be on you when you meet up with the threat. A large revolver is as burdensom to carry as a rifle in some respects. So, the idea is, bottom line, what are you comfortable wearing that is good enough. I would say that even for some women the 10mm is too big and they simply will not carry it. The truth is, it's good enough. That is the answer. Is it the best? oh no, but it's adequate.

 

[Skynyrd]

Gotta love these "what if bear attack" threads. Bottom line, carry whatever firearm and ammunition you choose. If it works, you live another day -- if it doesn't...well, we'll be reading about you in the news.

If you're sold on Gold Dot JHPs in a Glock 20 as a bear defense sidearm -- have at it. I'll be carrying a 12 ga. with slugs and a sidearm with the heaviest SOLID bullets available for the particular caliber. I love my 10mm pistols, but I expect I'll be carrying a 44 magnum with 320gr. WFN Hardcast loads as a sidearm. If I did happen to take a 10mm, it would be loaded with the 230gr WFN Hardcast, not some JHP intended for two-legged predators...

Where can I get some of these 320gr. WFN Hardcast loads for my 44?

 

[Jst1mr]

Where can I get some of these 320gr. WFN Hardcast loads for my 44?

Check out Natchez Shooters Supply (and I'm sure many others...) look for Cor-Bon Penetrators, .44Mag 320gr - designed especially for this purpose.

 

[somecomeget]

10mm bear defense

Where can I get some of these 320gr. WFN Hardcast loads for my 44?

I hike a lot. I don't think I have ever seen a person with 12GA. Ever. Who you kidding about always having that on you. I carry a 10mm. Why? because it's easier to carry and realistic. You honestly going to hold your nice wood stocked 12GA in your sweaty hands every time you take a 10 mile hike. At that are you going to carry a heavy Revolver like a .460 or 500 or .454. Yeah, maybe once. Especially on heavily used trails where you encounter other hikers. You going to sleep with your 12GA in your sleeping bag too. It's just easier to tote a Glock 20, therefor people will more likely carry it. Carry a glock 20, some pepper spray, and a Sure Fire Flash light. And you have the bear essentials.

 

[somecomeget]

Gotta love these "what if bear attack" threads. Bottom line, carry whatever firearm and ammunition you choose. If it works, you live another day -- if it doesn't...well, we'll be reading about you in the news.

If you're sold on Gold Dot JHPs in a Glock 20 as a bear defense sidearm -- have at it. I'll be carrying a 12 ga. with slugs and a sidearm with the heaviest SOLID bullets available for the particular caliber. I love my 10mm pistols, but I expect I'll be carrying a 44 magnum with 320gr. WFN Hardcast loads as a sidearm. If I did happen to take a 10mm, it would be loaded with the 230gr WFN Hardcast, not some JHP intended for two-legged predators...

I hike a lot. I don't think I have ever seen a person with any 12GA. Ever. Who are you kidding? I carry a 10mm. Why? because it's easier to carry and realistic and I don't feel uneasy about it. Are you honestly going to hold your nice wood stocked 12GA in your sweaty hands every time you take a 10 mile hike. At that are you going to carry a heavy Revolver like a .44Mag (.44Auto) or .460 or 500 or .454. Yeah, maybe once. Especially on heavily used trails where you encounter other hikers. You going to sleep with your 12GA in your sleeping bag too. It's just easier to tote a Glock 20 and it's more practical, therefore people will more likely carry it. Carry a glock 20, some pepper spray, and a Sure Fire Flash light. And you have the bear essentials.

 

[Samthedog73]

10mm for Alaska?

Hello,

You asked for a no B.S. straightforward answer: NO! For the past 10 years I have had two annual personal trips to AK, one hunting and one fishing trip on the Chena river. First line of MOOSE defense is a 20" barrel Win 1300 with tactical sights and slugs. I had the unfortunate experience of using this setup against a medium sized Brown Sow three years ago. It took two shots center mass + 1 for good measure to stop her. Last line of defense is a SW model 29 .44 mag. I would carry bigger if I could. I haver small hands - I am 5'10 male who shoots 1911 competitively - and found that with Pachmyr grips and practice I was able to rapidly and accurately shoot 300grn loads in the .44. Anything bigger is too much for me.

I am a fan of the 10mm but it has no place as a personal protection sidearm in the AK wilderness. I find it interesting that every post in this forum is focused on bear. Moose are responsible for nearly as many attacks on people in AK and in most cases are more violent and aggressive than bear. Your friends should be thinking moose defense as anything that will bring a moose down will handle any AK bear.

Lastly, a good dog will give warning and help distract a moose or a bear which will give your friend precious seconds she may need to escape attack. Just don't get too attached to the dog!

 

[beemerphile]

One thing you might consider with the 10mm Glock is to install a 6" barrel. I have one in mine to add a few FPS to the energy equation.

 

[willis73]

I live in Anchorage and have had a head to head with a moose at Best Buy. No kidding, bear and moose are a part of life in AK. I carry a 329 night guard anytime I even think about encountering wildlife, and a Marlin 45-70 when I don't need to worry about concealment. You only get to make a mistake once here.

 

[somecomeget]

10mm Auto

Hello,

You asked for a no B.S. straightforward answer: NO! For the past 10 years I have had two annual personal trips to AK, one hunting and one fishing trip on the Chena river. First line of MOOSE defense is a 20" barrel Win 1300 with tactical sights and slugs. I had the unfortunate experience of using this setup against a medium sized Brown Sow three years ago. It took two shots center mass + 1 for good measure to stop her. Last line of defense is a SW model 29 .44 mag. I would carry bigger if I could. I haver small hands - I am 5'10 male who shoots 1911 competitively - and found that with Pachmyr grips and practice I was able to rapidly and accurately shoot 300grn loads in the .44. Anything bigger is too much for me.

I am a fan of the 10mm but it has no place as a personal protection sidearm in the AK wilderness. I find it interesting that every post in this forum is focused on bear. Moose are responsible for nearly as many attacks on people in AK and in most cases are more violent and aggressive than bear. Your friends should be thinking moose defense as anything that will bring a moose down will handle any AK bear.

Lastly, a good dog will give warning and help distract a moose or a bear which will give your friend precious seconds she may need to escape attack. Just don't get too attached to the dog!

I'm not sure if you are much of a believer in the Glock 20 but; this incident really happened. (Breath) Bear! -2,3,4 In-2,3,4, I advise you give me the road! The 10mm Auto is the big daddy version of the .40S&W. The following link should cause you to consider that a Glock 20 chambered in 10mm Auto can be a good defense caliber for Alaska or anywhere else. The Alaskan Rangers carry the Glock 22 .40S&W and even that works. So, why do I sit here trying to convince peeps that the 10mm is perfect for all around use? It's because I know baby. Read my preceeding comments on this thread. A Glock 20 with 15 round magazine, loaded with Gold Dot Hollow Points, in a nice DeSantis Shoulder Holster will keep your bacon fresh day or night. You can wear it to the can, or in your sleeping bag, in your bibs or over your coat. This will work because it will be there all the time. GET ONE!

 

[DeadAye]

It only took 11 shots to stop the bear...
This is someone's idea of adequate?

At least he had guys with real guns backing him up.
Will you?

 

[ladder13]

It only took 11 shots to stop the bear...
This is someone's idea of adequate?

At least he had guys with real guns backing him up.
Will you?

+1

 

[somecomeget]

+1

Again, your a typical American, you missed the point. The officers had .40S&W not the 10mm Auto; The 10mm Auto is a more powerful cartridge producing 588ft-lbs at the muzzle depending on load. The .40 is a weaker firearm. You someone twilight zone connected the .40S&W with the 10mm Auto. So your Point is terrible. The point I made was if .40S&W works, 10mm will work better.

 

[somecomeget]

It only took 11 shots to stop the bear...
This is someone's idea of adequate?

At least he had guys with real guns backing him up.
Will you?

You missed the point, we forgive you. Let me help. The officers had .40S&W and used a Glock 22; they didn't use the 10mm Auto or Glock 20. The Glock 20 or 10mm Auto has more potential because it's a more powerful model/caliber; The Glock 20 in 10mm Auto can push 180 grain bullets at a velocity range between 1180-1250 fps which produces 556-624 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle when using full power ammo. The .40S&W is a weaker model/caliber by pushing 180grain bullets between 917-1025 fps being optimistic and producing 336-420 ft-lbs at the muzzle being optimisitic. You somehow twilight zone connected the .40S&W with the 10mm Auto. So your Point is terrible. The point I made was granted a little intrinsic but if you use full power .40S&W and it works, then full power 10mm Auto will work better for the slowing of mr. bear. Besides, you are more likely to get mauled by TSA than a bear. Course, that might be worse, I don't know.

 

[cp1969]

It only took 11 shots to stop the bear...
This is someone's idea of adequate?

At least he had guys with real guns backing him up.
Will you?

+2

Maybe the 10mm can do the job in 8 or 9.