sgtsandman
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I find the 15-22 to be a bit more user friendly when it comes to field stripping. Otherwise, both of mine run and shoot about the same.
15/22 compared to 10/20?
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bowzette
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I'm good to go with a 15-22 and a $400-500 CZ bolt gun .................. both .......make me
Still got $300 in my pocket towards some nice Leupold glass and a red dot!!!
I think the CZ is the best deal in a quality accurate .22 out of the box. I have a 453 that is excellent.
I'm good to go with a 15-22 and a $400-500 CZ bolt gun .................. both .......make me
Still got $300 in my pocket towards some nice Leupold glass and a red dot!!!
That is where I am going. I have both 15-22 and 10/22. Leaving the 15-22 as is for a fun family plinker with the collapsible stock. Great rifle. Making minor DIY mods to 10/22 for ease if use and accuracy. Planning to get a Tikka T1X later that I will use and mod if need for better accuracy. I will replace the 10/22 boat paddle stock with a Sporter.
Thanks All
Found everyone's comments to be very interesting and helpful. Picked up the 15-22 Sport yesterday with the Vortex Sparc II. It has been raining forever; eventually I will get to shoot it. Ordered some 10rd mags and a charger.
I may want to change out the grip to something a little more comfortable, just not sure what. I'll see after a few rounds.
Found everyone's comments to be very interesting and helpful. Picked up the 15-22 Sport yesterday with the Vortex Sparc II. It has been raining forever; eventually I will get to shoot it. Ordered some 10rd mags and a charger.
I may want to change out the grip to something a little more comfortable, just not sure what. I'll see after a few rounds.
batmann
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I have both and while I love both, the M&P 22 is more user friendly IMHO.
The Ruger shoots slightly small groups than the Smith, but not enough to matter to me.
I have had some ammo issues with my Smith, but I think it was just that, ammo. The Ruger had the same issues with the same ammo as well.
Personally, I like the M&P a little better than the 10/22 for shooting. I is accurate enough for me.
PS- my M&P 22 Compact will run the same ammo and not miss a beat.
The Ruger shoots slightly small groups than the Smith, but not enough to matter to me.
I have had some ammo issues with my Smith, but I think it was just that, ammo. The Ruger had the same issues with the same ammo as well.
Personally, I like the M&P a little better than the 10/22 for shooting. I is accurate enough for me.
PS- my M&P 22 Compact will run the same ammo and not miss a beat.
The 10-22 will NOT hold the bolt open on the last shot regardless of what anyone says EVER. There was an aftermarket mod that allowed this, but it was only with use of a special magazine. I'll take a modified 10-22 with money thrown into it all day over a 15-22, but that is what it is. If you are going to shoot a competition that requires fast reloads, the 15-22 will be faster hands down. On top of requiring the bolt to be racked on reloads, the 10-22 also can be fiddly with magazines. Also, 10-22's can be finicky and a pain to diagnose failures. Once thats figured out, they will run like clockwork, but it can be a process. Lots of people are big on the 15-22 and I don't think I've ever seen one fail in competition aside from light strikes. Have not witnessed one stovepipe in the few competitions I've been to. The one my cousin got last June however was a solid piece of junk though. Becomes a bolt action very quickly for whatever reason. Too bad there isn't more aftermarket support for this gun.
Blackstuff
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For mini-rifle/steel plate/IPSC type shooting just get a 15-22, simple as that.
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I prefer the 10/22.
Most are more accurate out of the box and it is infinitely more configurable.
Most are more accurate out of the box and it is infinitely more configurable.
To the Range
Finally got to the range. The Vortex Sparc II was a little to the left and low. One of the members, who has a ton more knowledge/experience than I, was measuring the speed of his reloads and took the time to give me a little help. A little adjustment and groups were tight with the Red Eye. About 200 rounds and had two that did not load correctly (casings got crimped). However, the ammo was some old Winchester's and is probably at least 10 years old.
The co-witness iron sights are not close to the red dot. Guess I need to play with them. I need a spotting scope - walked my rear off ...
All-in-all, really did like it and enjoy myself
. Thanks to all for your comments.
Regards,
Mike
Finally got to the range. The Vortex Sparc II was a little to the left and low. One of the members, who has a ton more knowledge/experience than I, was measuring the speed of his reloads and took the time to give me a little help. A little adjustment and groups were tight with the Red Eye. About 200 rounds and had two that did not load correctly (casings got crimped). However, the ammo was some old Winchester's and is probably at least 10 years old.
The co-witness iron sights are not close to the red dot. Guess I need to play with them. I need a spotting scope - walked my rear off ...
All-in-all, really did like it and enjoy myself
. Thanks to all for your comments.Regards,
Mike
It is a very fun rifle for the family, too. I did some more ammo testing this past weekend at 50 yds. Shooting Wolf MT in the 10/22 (stock, several years old) I got 1 1/8" - 1 1/2" groups of 10-shots. The M&P (also stock) shooting Blazers got 1 1/2" - 1 3/4" groups of 10-shots. However, one target for the M&P was shot with Aguila SV and came in 1 3/8", and that was without cleaning the barrel after shooting about 300 rds of Blazers.
Obviously, the Wolf MT is wasted on these stock rifles, but I was impressed the M&P is at least as accurate as the 10/22. I'll have to shoot more Blazers 10-shot groups through the 10/22 for comparison. In the past, shooting 5-shot groups the M&P seemed overall slightly more accurate than the 10/22 with Blazer, Aguila HV and SV, CCI SV, Federal Classic and GMM.
Both rifles had the same VX1 2-7x33 scopes.
Have to agree that anything above mini-mag caliber ammunition is wasted on most stock autoloaders. I can remember shooting Eley club extra when one of my 10-22's was stock and I could see the difference in it over other ammo, but I still wasn't going be keeping any of those targets.
Fishslayer
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I have a few 10/22 and took my new M&P Sport to the range today for the first time.
The 10/22 has an horrendous trigger out of the box. All of mine have Volquartzen match hammers along with the bolt release mod. MUCH nicer. If you really want to go all in you can buy a match sear as well or a whole drop in trigger group. How accurate do you want to spend?
The trigger on the M&P is "acceptable." I wasn't expecting a bench rest match rifle. It's wearing a super cheapo eotech knockoff and shot "OK" groups at 25 yards with Aguila HV ammo. It might be more accurate with different ammo.
The guy who decided the 10/22 didn't need a last round hold open was probably the same guy who designed that *&#^&$^ bolt release.
In slow fire I can usually tell when the last round is fired. It does feel a bit different. I doubt you could feel it when running & gunning.
The 10/22 has an horrendous trigger out of the box. All of mine have Volquartzen match hammers along with the bolt release mod. MUCH nicer. If you really want to go all in you can buy a match sear as well or a whole drop in trigger group. How accurate do you want to spend?
The trigger on the M&P is "acceptable." I wasn't expecting a bench rest match rifle. It's wearing a super cheapo eotech knockoff and shot "OK" groups at 25 yards with Aguila HV ammo. It might be more accurate with different ammo.
The guy who decided the 10/22 didn't need a last round hold open was probably the same guy who designed that *&#^&$^ bolt release.
In slow fire I can usually tell when the last round is fired. It does feel a bit different. I doubt you could feel it when running & gunning.
There's 3 or 4 10/22 including a Charger pistol and 3 15/22 (also including a pistol) floating around here along with a bunch of other rim fire samples. Both are good platforms. I've put countless rounds through both and I'd say that the 10/22 is a bit more finicky about ammo, jams, mags, etc. Both are very upgradeable and you can make just about any style you could possibly ever imagine.
I'd get 2 of each for starters, then go from there!
I'd get 2 of each for starters, then go from there!
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The guy who decided the 10/22 didn't need a last round hold open was probably the same guy who designed that *&#^&$^ bolt release.
I'll clarify this for those that don't know it. Fishslayer is dead on. I have both rifles. The 10-22 has a notoriously BAD bolt release out of the box. It is hateful. If your going to shoot comp know that this will have to be fixed out of the box. There are solutions for it. I'm just surprised Ruger has never fixed it. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. My gun is several years old.
PHXSHOOTER
I have both rifles also and I upgraded the Ruger 10/22 with a trigger kit. They both have the same Bushnell 1x6 scope on them. They both run flawlessly and I like them both. The S&W 15 22 functions more like an AR-15 so that is it as the edge as being better between the two.
Fishslayer
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Nope. I have a couple of newer ones & they are the same.
Even my BX Trigger group comes with the junk bolt release. Easily fixed, and the BX trigger is pretty delightful otherwise! Back to the 15-22. The trigger on mine is acceptable and I don't plan any upgrades. I think they are available though.
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My pick is the 15-22, for sure and certain. It is clearly a better design, and better quality than the Ruger. Now that Volquartsen has a barrel for it, you finally have a barrel choice, in addition to the many triggers & magazines that are available.
If you HAVE to go with a 10/22 type, you really need to look at the Thompson Center T/CR-22 clone. Thompson addressed bolt release, last round hold open, integrated Pic rail, etc.
If you HAVE to go with a 10/22 type, you really need to look at the Thompson Center T/CR-22 clone. Thompson addressed bolt release, last round hold open, integrated Pic rail, etc.
I have lost to 30 yr old beat up stock 10/22s and beaten 1000 dollar highly modified 10/22s. It the person behind the trigger. The 10/22 is more accurate than the 15-22 at distance. 15- 22 mags are better as are the controls. The 15-22 is typically more reliable with a wider range of ammo. Neither has a great trigger. The 15-22 shares a few parts with ARs and the controls are the same. You can spend a lot more on a 10/22 in mods but the desirable mods on the 15-22 are expensive. Trigger, optic, forend and if you want a replacement barrel. You can make a 10/22 lighter with money. Only a little weight can be saved on a 15-22. Out of the box a 15-22 is a better gun for gaming. If want you want to spend a boatload of cash, a 10/22 can be made better, maybe, if you pick the right parts.
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