15-22p upper will it fit on rifle lower?

[DelFuego]

The stamp that everyone is referring to, is it easy to get, even in California? And, do you have to list a reason for doing the change? If so, what reason do you give besides it being a cool thing to do.

 

[CrazyFingers]

You have some critically important reading to do if you want to avoid a 10-year stay at the Federal Hilton:

ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - National Firearms Act (NFA) - Short Barreled Rifles and Shotguns

National Firearms Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Short-barreled rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Short-barreled Rifles - Calguns Foundation Wiki

As far as:

... And, do you have to list a reason for doing the change?

Assuming you live in a state where SBRs are legal to begin with, and your CLEO signs off or you create a trust, I'm not aware of any particular reason you need to give anyone for wanting an SBR. If you jump through all the required hoops, an SBR is as legal as any other firearm, as long as you don't break any of the other rules (lending/traveling out of state without BATFE notice, etc.)

 

[Terence]

The BATFE takes a very dim view of people who don't follow the rules.

And the rules are in some cases confusing, vague or open to interpretation.

And these rules are enforced by an agency that (in my view, YMMV) is somewhat antagonistic to the people it regulates. I just don't think they like us regular gun owners very much.

There are not a lot of stories that go "well the ATF guy found out that I lent my suppressor to my friend Joe from another state, but it was the first time so he let me off with a stern warning"

Personally, I wouldn't steal a plastic fork from the ATF cafeteria.

If you decide you need a SBR or a suppressor, do yourself a favor and make sure you can pass a closed-book test on all the rules before you get started.

 

[Majorlk]

And if you ever get convicted for an NFA violation, in addition to the fine and possible prison time, you can kiss goodbye all your current firearms and any hope of owning any more. Remember, an NFA violation is a FEDERAL felony.

If you decide you need a SBR or a suppressor, do yourself a favor and make sure you can pass a closed-book test on all the rules before you get started.

Very sound advice.

 

[jbas]

I have mine set up like this (with prerequisite tax stamps). It's a fun configuration to shoot. Very compact, especially without the suppressor.

 

[THEolfart]

Another point to consider...there are individual State laws to consider as well. You can get all the Federal stamps you want, but as an example in Iowa where SBR's and silencers are prohibited by State law, it won't do any good to try.

 

[Majorlk]

Another point to consider...there are individual State laws to consider as well. You can get all the Federal stamps you want, but as an example in Iowa where SBR's and silencers are prohibited by State law, it won't do any good to try.

Excellent point! A lot of us tend to forget that state laws are in play, as well as federal.

 

[ac15]

Just curios if any laws againt putting the rifle upper on pistol lower. Like a stock-less rifle? if so anyone have a pic of that.

 

[THEolfart]

ac15...NO, NO, a thousand times NO. You would probably violate the overall minimum length requirement of 26 inches. Just get the rifle, or just the pistol, or both, and enjoy them for what they were designed.

 

[strobro32]

Yes. It is legal to put the rifle upper on a pistol lower receiver. There is no minimum or maximum length for a pistol.

I won't comment on how goofy it would be. Your street cred would drop to nil.

 

[Juvicator]

Just lay them to top of each other, put some Barry white on, light some candles, give them some privacy and in 9 months you'll have a cute little SMG.

 

[rakusi]

ac15...NO, NO, a thousand times NO. You would probably violate the overall minimum length requirement of 26 inches. Just get the rifle, or just the pistol, or both, and enjoy them for what they were designed.

It would legally be a pistol with a 16" barrel. There's nothing illegal about that.

On the other hand, having a registered rifle lower and a pistol upper just laying around while the 16" pistol is assembled is generally a no-no.

 

[THEolfart]

rakusi..."It would legally be a pistol with a 16" barrel. There's nothing illegal about that."

Yes, thank you, I should have taken the correct tact...he now has a rifle lower with a pistol upper laying around which I believe, COULD BE construed by Federal law if not some state's laws, as "constructive possession" of an SBR. I'm just trying to keep our inexperienced newbie OP from getting jammed-up.

 

[Majorlk]

rakusi..."It would legally be a pistol with a 16" barrel. There's nothing illegal about that."

Yes, thank you, I should have taken the correct tact...he now has a rifle lower with a pistol upper laying around which I believe, COULD BE construed by Federal law if not some state's laws, as "constructive possession" of an SBR. I'm just trying to keep our inexperienced newbie OP from getting jammed-up.

I don't think there's any doubt that it would be so construed. This is one area where one simply does not mess around; the consequences are simply too severe.