1902 I frame

[texjack706]

I have a 38 cal I frame hand ejector, it was my wifes grandfathers he carried as a Texas ranger in 1922. sr # 45560. does anyone know if the extractor rod and center pin for the 32 cal is the same as the 38?

 

[quinn]

Welcome to the forum for the Alamo City. I don't know the answer to your question... but others will. Would love to see photos of your gun...

 

[texjack706]

howdy

hi quinn, i am in waco, will try to get a picture of it soon, right now it is in bad condition.

 

[Skeetr57]

This can not be a .38 caliber I frame before 1917. The I frame was only made in .32 and .22 calibers until the introduction of the Regulation Police in 1917 as a 5 shot in .38 S&W caliber.

 

[DWalt]

If it has 6 chambers, it is a K-frame .38 Special, and the caliber will be stamped on the barrel. If 5 chambers, it's probably a Regulation Police (RP) in .38 S&W (but I doubt if any Ranger would carry one of those, other than maybe as a backup gun). Please make sure that the SN is taken from the butt, or from the front grip strap if it is an RP. Several good pictures always help in making an ID.

 

[glowe]

Welcome to the Forum. Is there a caliber stamping on the barrel? If so, let us know exactly what it says. Yes, it could be a 38 S&W caliber, as DWalt states, which is an I frame. The Regulation Police was made in both 32 Long & 38 S&W. I do not know how many of these revolvers ended up in police service, but I guess that must have been the intended use, since the company called them a police model. In today's world, neither caliber would seem adequate.

 

[texjack706]

The serial number is on the butt of the grip, barrel marking is s&w 38 special & u.s. service cartridge. the date and other info i have recieved from Ray, the s&w historian. he says this is a 1902 first change revolver. It does have a 6 shot cylinder, and the internal parts look like I frame, but incorporates the front cylinder lock,

 

[glowe]

Thanks, that makes it a K frame Model 1902. The 32-20 and 38 Special versions used the exact same parts. The only difference was the size of the hole in the chambers and barrel.

 

[texjack706]

I have the k frame illustrated list, and the parts in this list do not reflect the parts in this gun, such as the trigger retun spring is a leaf type not a coil.the extractor rod and center pin are both broken. I also have his rifle, it was issued to him, but he had to pay for it, it is a 1910 model 8 remington, 30 cal. The revolver he had, he was a ranger twice, first time he was coscripted, second time he enlisted as a special ranger, the record is in the ranger museun in waco, V.S. Lewis, "Spot".

 

[texjack706]

under the noteable thread index, there is a serries of pictures of the 38 m&p insides, this is exactly what is in my pistol.

 

[DWalt]

"The serial number is on the butt of the grip, barrel marking is s&w 38 special & u.s. service cartridge."

SN 45560 would date likely shipment around mid-1904. A collector would call it a .38 Hand Ejector, Model of 1902, First Change. It would have the rounded butt, as square butt K-frame revolvers were not generally made at that time. There were numerous changes made to the K-frame's internal mechanism between 1899 and 1914. More recent parts lists and diagrams would not reflect the same K-frame parts as used in 1904. I do not know if the extractor rod and center pin were the same as those used through 1927 (when the earlier style extractor rod changed), but they may be. Someone else may be able to answer that question, or you may want to ask the question in the gunsmithing area of this forum. I would think the parts needed should be available somewhere.

Regarding your Model 8, I have a number of Model 8 rifles (and also the later Model 81) in various calibers, including two in .30 Remington. Ammunition is tough to come by, as it was last factory loaded in the 1970s, but it can still be found. Several years ago I was fortunate to find five boxes at the San Antonio gun show at a reasonable price, but that was luck. For awhile, I made my own brass from .30/30 Winchester cases, and it is not too difficult to do so if you have access to a lathe. And it may be possible to find new brass cases. I know that not too long ago, Remington was still making occasional runs of brass for reloaders. There is an excellent website and forum devoted to the Remington Model 8 and 81 rifles, located here: http://thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com/?page_id=8

 

[texjack706]

yes dewalt, thanks for the info, i have 6 model 8's, my grandfathers 30, my wifes grandfathers as i mentioned, and have one 25, one 32, one 35, and 3 30's, also have ammo for all of them, got my 25 from old western scrounger. shot my first deer with grandpas 30.

 

[DWalt]

If you have .30 Rem brass, you can make both .25 Rem and .32 Rem cases from it by simply necking down or necking up. You are missing one in .300 Savage, but those were made only in the Model 81. I have two of those and make cases by re-forming and trimming .308 Win brass. Not my favorite to shoot, as the recoil of a full load will jar your fillings loose.

 

[glowe]

Gunpartscorp.com has lots of extractor rod components currently available that should fit your revolver. I would check them and maybe give them a call if needed. I noticed that they have an early style rod with the proper mushroom style knob. Look for the M&P revolver schematic. As stated, there were many internal changes in the early years of the Model 1902 & Model 1905, but I would bet the extractor assembly did not change in the early years of the M&P

 

[texjack706]

Yes gary they have lots of parts, as i ordered what was listed for the m&p, alas, they will not work, the center , rod has a different length on the end that goes into the extractor in the cylinder, theirs is a short collar and mine has a very long collar, the extractor rod is too long and the knob on the end will not fit in the recess for the lock, altogeather shape. i have ordered the extractor ofr the 32 and the center pin for that also, as they have a different part number, and after talking to gunparts, they think that the new parts will work, all of these parts are not that expensive either, hope fullly i get the parts this week as they emailed me that they had been shipped last week, will let you know what i get.

 

[texjack706]

Well the parts came in today from gun parts, nope they are not right, too short, but the right knob, back to the drawing board.only 20 bucks including freight.