1911 vs Hi Power

[sub-moa]

So, my understanding is that you use the term "fixed barrel bushing" meaning "bushingless" design?

WADR, I'm not clear as to how one would arrive at that "understanding", but it would be an incorrect "understanding". I simply pointed out that FN toyed with the 1911 removable barrel bushing design in late '20s prototypes...discovered that design offered no advantage, and reverted to their original "Fixed Barrel Bushing" design for production P35 pistols. A "Fixed Barrel Bushing" design is not a "bushingless" design.

There's a whole involved history of JMBs evolving locking systems...and the muzzle support designs that evolved to support them. Suffice it to say that each design had both strong and less strong points. The final designs; Swinging Link (ala 1911), Single Lug (ala BHP) and Lug/Hood (ala Sig/Glock) locking designs each are best served with different barrel guide/bushing arrangements. Consequently, there are different removable barrel bushing systems as well a semi-permanent and permanent systems. The BHP is meant to be permanent in that it is press fit into the front of the slide. Others are machined - one with the slide, threaded or welded to the slide and/or locked with any number of indents or set screws.

Even the "bushingless" design, which evolved from the original 1911 removable bushing design, uses the inside diameter of the slide mating with the larger diameter coned barrel to form a bushing interface.

 

[Darkenfast]

I was trained on the 1911 during my Navy career, but the only firearm I currently own is a Hi-Power. My example (a "C" series from the early 70's), has a perfectly acceptable trigger. I think a lot of the differences between the two weapons are only important if you switch back and forth from one to another, and are simply non-issues to most of the service-oriented users who stick with one pistol for long periods. During the 50's, 60's, and 70's, the BHP had a lot of success around the world as the service auto of choice. The way it fits so many hands is (IMHO), it's greatest attribute. Personally, to me, it's a lot like a 3-inch barreled K-frame in size, weight and feel. While Saive may have had a lot more input to the final design than he is given credit for, I still see it as a natural development from the earlier Browning autos.

 

[msgdan]

Have a couple of 1911's and love them. Never owned a Hi Power but I hope to some day. The way I see it they are both brilliant John Browning designs. You can't go wrong with either one. It just comes down to what you prefer. A win-win situation either way.

 

[Out West]

If the 1911 is a Porche, and the Hi Power is a Mustang, is a CZ 75 a Saab?

Out
West

 

[SASABERANGER]

Some of the 1911 compacts do not have a bushing. They use a belled/flared barrel.
Like then both. But the HP 9MM is just a bit whimpy compared to the 11.25 MM (.45ACP).
Kind of hard to improve on perfection, even after 100 years.
Thom Braxton
SWCA #1474

 

[Rule 303]

I really like and carry 9mm's and .45s. Just depends on the time of the year and what I'm wearing.

I carried a Walther P38 while in Vietnam in addation to my M16 and cut down M79. To the best of my knowledge, none of the folks I killed with the P38 have come back to life.

Rule 303