Peter M. Eick
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I agree. I think the sound of racking my remington 870 Slug gun has got to be one of the most unnerving sounds if you are possibly facing it on the other end. To me it is the sound of "this just got serious".
1st handgun purchase
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New shooters do not need semi-automatics.
If you have a K-22, that is a good starting point for them to practice and learn.
They should be able to find a used 4" blue, square butt, Model 10 for around $300, depending on how much it has been used of course.
Attach the appropriate grips that will fit their hands.
Wadcutters or 158gr round nose lead for practice.
+P hollowpoints for home defense.
That would be much better than an airweight Smith or Taurus, both of which will have more recoil.
I'd rather see someone shoot a 22 revolver with confidence than shoot any other gun and have reservations.
If you have a K-22, that is a good starting point for them to practice and learn.
They should be able to find a used 4" blue, square butt, Model 10 for around $300, depending on how much it has been used of course.
Attach the appropriate grips that will fit their hands.
Wadcutters or 158gr round nose lead for practice.
+P hollowpoints for home defense.
That would be much better than an airweight Smith or Taurus, both of which will have more recoil.
I'd rather see someone shoot a 22 revolver with confidence than shoot any other gun and have reservations.
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I will disagree with the majority. I do think a shotgun is good for home defense. I keep a 12 gauge in the closet with the magazine (but not the chamber) loaded.
BUT - maybe they should consider a 9mm semi auto. I think new shooters can handle a pistol if they get a little instruction from a friend or relative. I taught my wife and my son to shoot with a pistol. Both now shoot pretty well. If funds are limited a Taurus PT111 could be just the ticket. They are reliable and inexpensive. The recoil of 9mm is manageable for just about anyone, and they'll have 13 rounds on tap rather than just 5 or 6 in a revolver.
Of course if they have a larger budget a Glock 19 or M&P would be great, too.
BUT - maybe they should consider a 9mm semi auto. I think new shooters can handle a pistol if they get a little instruction from a friend or relative. I taught my wife and my son to shoot with a pistol. Both now shoot pretty well. If funds are limited a Taurus PT111 could be just the ticket. They are reliable and inexpensive. The recoil of 9mm is manageable for just about anyone, and they'll have 13 rounds on tap rather than just 5 or 6 in a revolver.
Of course if they have a larger budget a Glock 19 or M&P would be great, too.
If they go with 22 try to find a convertible with 22 mag cylinder.
ordy
US Veteran
Another vote for a pump shotgun. A Remington 870 loaded with #4 shot would be my preference. If a hand gun is a must then I'd go with a model 10 or equivalent.
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And another vote for the Model 10 M&P. Everything you need, and nothing you don't. 38 specal is a good self defense round.
(Now I am partial to the M65 for the additional .357 capability, but I don't think it a requirement for home defense, nor do I think 357 good for newbies.)
(Now I am partial to the M65 for the additional .357 capability, but I don't think it a requirement for home defense, nor do I think 357 good for newbies.)
M1Lover
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ATF Purchase Form
From this article:
"The ATF recommends that if you want to give someone a new firearm, rather than going to a gun store, buying it on your own and giving it to, say your father, consider instead purchasing a gift certificate from that retailer and giving it to Dad as his present. That way he'll get the exact gun he wants, and there's no question about who is "the actual buyer of the firearm," which is a question any purchaser must certify on the Federal Form 4473 at the time of purchase."
From this article:
"The ATF recommends that if you want to give someone a new firearm, rather than going to a gun store, buying it on your own and giving it to, say your father, consider instead purchasing a gift certificate from that retailer and giving it to Dad as his present. That way he'll get the exact gun he wants, and there's no question about who is "the actual buyer of the firearm," which is a question any purchaser must certify on the Federal Form 4473 at the time of purchase."
Honestly I don't understand why this is so confusing to people. It is completely 100% legal to buy a gun as a gift for anyone, family, friends, your boss/employee, anyone as long as you use your own money and you don't knowingly gift the gun to a prohibited person. Firearms make wonderful gifts, don't let a fear of internet myths keep you from giving them.
The instructions on the 4473 clearly spell this out so no one should ever have any misunderstandings.
Question 11.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer: For purposes of this form, you are
the actual transferee/buyer if you are purchasing the firearm for yourself or otherwise acquiring
the firearm for yourself (e.g., redeeming the firearm from pawn/retrieving it from consignment,
firearm raffle winner). You are also the actual transferee/buyer if you are legitimately
purchasing the firearm as a gift for a third party. ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER EXAMPLES: Mr.
Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the money for
the firearm. Mr. Jones is NOT THE ACTUAL TRANS- FEREE/BUYER of the firearm and must answer "NO" to
question 11.a. The licensee may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Jones. However, if Mr. Brown goes
to buy a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a present, Mr. Brown is the actual
transferee/buyer of the firearm and should answer "YES" to question 11.a. However, you may not
transfer a firearm to any person you know or have reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under
18 U.S.C. § 922(g),
, or (x).
The instructions on the 4473 clearly spell this out so no one should ever have any misunderstandings.
Question 11.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer: For purposes of this form, you are
the actual transferee/buyer if you are purchasing the firearm for yourself or otherwise acquiring
the firearm for yourself (e.g., redeeming the firearm from pawn/retrieving it from consignment,
firearm raffle winner). You are also the actual transferee/buyer if you are legitimately
purchasing the firearm as a gift for a third party. ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER EXAMPLES: Mr.
Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the money for
the firearm. Mr. Jones is NOT THE ACTUAL TRANS- FEREE/BUYER of the firearm and must answer "NO" to
question 11.a. The licensee may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Jones. However, if Mr. Brown goes
to buy a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a present, Mr. Brown is the actual
transferee/buyer of the firearm and should answer "YES" to question 11.a. However, you may not
transfer a firearm to any person you know or have reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under
18 U.S.C. § 922(g),
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