21 to buy guns? What else?
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When I was growing up in NYS, the age to vote was 21 and the age to get booze was 18. IMHO the age to vote should have been left at 21!
Maybe 26 when they get off their parents Health Insurance... and provided proof they've moved out to their folks basement!!!!....
Maybe 26 when they get off their parents Health Insurance... and provided proof they've moved out to their folks basement!!!!....
I will drink to that!
I support the NRA. Have a lifetime membership. I don't agree with everything they do, but they are our biggest and best protection of the 2nd amendment.
I would much rather see a age restriction on weapons purchase rather than an all out ban on certain weapons.
With the "current" gun culture, it may become necessary to accept something less than perfect in order to protect all our 2A rights.
I would much rather see a age restriction on weapons purchase rather than an all out ban on certain weapons.
With the "current" gun culture, it may become necessary to accept something less than perfect in order to protect all our 2A rights.
StakeOut
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The real problem never seems to be addressed by the knee jerk reactionaries....people.
It's much easier to write laws regulating inert objects than things that have a mind,free will and are mentally unbalanced.
If been reading about the so called "Red Flag" law that seems to be dealing with the real issue,people,but fails to safeguard the rights of those accused with a quick hearing after a seizure.
A real issue IMO is the press coverage that almost challenges the next mentally disturbed person to a "can you top this".
The freedom that the press has guaranteed in the 1st amendment is what needs to be restricted more than my 2nd Amendment rights.
It's much easier to write laws regulating inert objects than things that have a mind,free will and are mentally unbalanced.
If been reading about the so called "Red Flag" law that seems to be dealing with the real issue,people,but fails to safeguard the rights of those accused with a quick hearing after a seizure.
A real issue IMO is the press coverage that almost challenges the next mentally disturbed person to a "can you top this".
The freedom that the press has guaranteed in the 1st amendment is what needs to be restricted more than my 2nd Amendment rights.
Yes, its protecting our rights NOW. What about the next time something happens what will be TAKEN then?
Its death by 1000 cuts or the mouse eating the elephant, one bite at a time.
Put another way: Why do WE always have to compromise and give up something and the anti's never do?
Correct me if I'm wrong. If the age to purchase a long gun is raised from 18 to 21, that means a 19 year old Marine who qualified as an Expert with a belt-fed M60 machine gun, when he goes home on leave, will not be able to purchase a single-shot .22 rimfire rifle.
I heard the best quote last night: "Think about what rights you are willing to give up, because you will never get them back."
I heard the best quote last night: "Think about what rights you are willing to give up, because you will never get them back."
I think you may have missed the point, or perhaps I did not state it clearly........Do not want to compromise if possible but if
given no choice then.....I would much rather see a age restriction on weapons purchase rather than an all out ban on certain weapons.
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In another thread Joe Scarborough (sp?) on MSNBC is all but starting a "Top 10 shootings" by body count list................calling out to nut jobs "Can you top this?"
Note: Morning Joe's ratings have fallen from #28 to #47 in cable news shows in the past year.
Note: Morning Joe's ratings have fallen from #28 to #47 in cable news shows in the past year.
Absalom
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
I've never understood this back-and-forth of manipulating just when childhood ends, as a social experiment depending on the issue of the day.
Either you're an adult or not. If we as a society agree it's 18, okay. That should mean you can fight, smoke, vote, drink, have sex, and buy whatever gun is legal to buy.
On the other hand, this is a complaint that really doesn't match reality. For the last few decades, except in a few states, we have gained consistently and the antis have lost. Federal "gun control" has totally flopped. Shall-issue, reciprocity, constitutional carry, open carry, campus carry, nationally the balance sheet looks pretty good for us. Obviously, that's no excuse to let down our guard, but I don't think there's too much reason to feel like a persecuted minority that "always has to give up something".
Either you're an adult or not. If we as a society agree it's 18, okay. That should mean you can fight, smoke, vote, drink, have sex, and buy whatever gun is legal to buy.
On the other hand, this is a complaint that really doesn't match reality. For the last few decades, except in a few states, we have gained consistently and the antis have lost. Federal "gun control" has totally flopped. Shall-issue, reciprocity, constitutional carry, open carry, campus carry, nationally the balance sheet looks pretty good for us. Obviously, that's no excuse to let down our guard, but I don't think there's too much reason to feel like a persecuted minority that "always has to give up something".
jsfricks
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The problem with raising the age to 21, is that we are considered adults at the age of 18 and the Bill of Rights applies. So raising it to 21 infringes on our rights to bear arms. If anyone agrees it should be 21 to purchase a gun, how many more ways are you willing to give up your 2nd Amendment right?
Lower it to ........13........ if you are of the Jewish faith!!!!!
If you are old enough to go in the service you are old enough to drink and buy a gun.
Lower it to ........13........ if you are of the Jewish faith!!!!!
I gave my honorary nephew his life membership in the NRA for his bar mitzvah.
500SNW
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I'd be happy with some sort of trade. Perhaps removing suppressors and SBR's from NFA in return for raising the legal age to 21.
susieqz
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i saved up n bot my little marlin 22 when i was 16.
i can't see why stopping normal kids from having fun is a good idea.
we have very little of our so called second amendment rights left.
please don't let them take more of them.
i can't see why stopping normal kids from having fun is a good idea.
we have very little of our so called second amendment rights left.
please don't let them take more of them.
Why is it that only with firearms do they go after the mechanism rather than the individual?
Do you think we should ban matches to prevent arson?
Should we ban cars and booze to stop drunk driving deaths? (that's 10 to 15,000 per year) that's 27 per day or the equivalent of a Sandy Hook every day of the year.
Should we ban airplanes to prevent another 911?
Or pressure cookers to prevent another marathon bombing?
Why is it that the firearm is to blame rather than the shooters mental state that causes someone to act out by shooting a bunch of folks that are probably unknown to the shooter?
The FL shooter was known to the FBI 7 months ago and had written that he wanted to be a school shooter. A high school computer whiz kid can hack the pentagon but our law enforcement community can't find one nut job kid who posted his intentions online 7 months ago!!! REALLY?
As a result you wish to punish me by restricting MY rights or those of my family. I don't think so.....
Do you think we should ban matches to prevent arson?
Should we ban cars and booze to stop drunk driving deaths? (that's 10 to 15,000 per year) that's 27 per day or the equivalent of a Sandy Hook every day of the year.
Should we ban airplanes to prevent another 911?
Or pressure cookers to prevent another marathon bombing?
Why is it that the firearm is to blame rather than the shooters mental state that causes someone to act out by shooting a bunch of folks that are probably unknown to the shooter?
The FL shooter was known to the FBI 7 months ago and had written that he wanted to be a school shooter. A high school computer whiz kid can hack the pentagon but our law enforcement community can't find one nut job kid who posted his intentions online 7 months ago!!! REALLY?
As a result you wish to punish me by restricting MY rights or those of my family. I don't think so.....
Chubbo
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Take heart britbike, the eighteen year old people will be old enough to fight for their country. if needed.
Chubbo
Take heart britbike, the eighteen year old people will be old enough to fight for their country. if needed.
Chubbo
ExRanger714
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Could someone remind me
why GCA '68 says 18 yoa long guns but 21 handgun?
Anybody got reliable data on why they legislated the difference?
why GCA '68 says 18 yoa long guns but 21 handgun?
Anybody got reliable data on why they legislated the difference?
MOONDAWG
US Veteran
21 to buy a long rifle?
Does that mean the minimum age to join the military is now 21?
Does that mean the minimum age to join the military is now 21?
Problem is there is no "rather one or the other" to the anti's. Its one today, another tomorrow.
We cannot possibly be hated any more by the anti's than we already are, so why compromise? They NEVER compromise.
We cannot be any more vilified by the media, so why care what they print in pursuit of their agenda to completely disarm America?
Borrowing from another campaign: When they make a proposal, JUST SAY NO.
Most probably because in those days the anti's were attacking handguns. One more example of their pursuit of their end game of total disarmament.
Sounds like "yelling FIRE! in a crowded theatre" to me. I was always told doing that was not covered by the 1st.
But then, remember when the body count of US casualties from the sandbox stopped as soon as the previous POTUS took office?
Bill Bates
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It seems a bit hard to get a solid list of mass shootings where the shooter legally purchased a AR and was between the age of 18 and 21. It appears the last shooter is the only one.
I understand that 18 to 21 year olds are low hanging fruit here as are bump stocks but changing a law that adversely effects millions because one person miss used an AR seems a bit ridiculous and that is just common sense.
I understand that 18 to 21 year olds are low hanging fruit here as are bump stocks but changing a law that adversely effects millions because one person miss used an AR seems a bit ridiculous and that is just common sense.
Cardboard_killer
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Actually, how can there be any age limit on firearms purchasing? The right is absolute, unlike a driver's license or alcoholic beverages. Why can't little Johnny buy a gun at 14?
Fishslayer
US Veteran, Absent Comrade
If you think they will stop at age restrictions I have this bridge...
brigeton
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When I was young the drinking age was 18 for a few years then they moved it back to 21. 18 was considered an adult that could enter contracts, vote, etc. I never understood why the 21 drinking laws weren't discrimination & wondered why no one ever challenged it.
Alcohol was the subject of two US Constitutional Amendments. Prohibition and its repeal. In the repeal the individual states were given authority to regulate alcohol.
The drinking age change to 21 was tied to federal funding. States did not have to raise the age, but if they did not they would loose out on significant federal funding. (Similar to the 55 mph speed limits in the 1970's). This change was driven by research that shows a young person's brain does not completely develop until they are 25 and alcohol destroys brain cells.
Many states (actually most) always had a 21 year age for spirits and only beer/wine was allowed at 18.
There were challenges; however, the US Constitution give the states the authority to regulate alcohol and it had already been settled in courts across the country that the ability to make, sell and consume alcohol was a privileged, not a right. That's why states license manufacture and sale of alcohol.
Sorry to be long winded about this but it was partially the subject of my doctoral dissertation.
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