3 Reasons a carry gun will leave the holster

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  1. To shoot the bad guy. That is why we carry after all.
  2. To practice at the range.
  3. To put the gun away at the end of the day. (or on the night stand or under your pillow ;) )

There is no other reason to take the gun out. If we'd all follow this simple list, there'd be a lot less negligent discharges in the news.
 
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Rastoff said:
  1. To shoot the bad guy. That is why we carry after all.
  2. To practice at the range.
  3. To put the gun away at the end of the day. (or on the night stand or under your pillow ;) )

There is no other reason to take the gun out. If we'd all follow this simple list, there'd be a lot less negligent discharges in the news.
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I have to disagree based on my experiences. A drawn handgun can work wonders without having to shoot someone. I may not be well versed in the minutiae of concealed carry, but drawing doesn't have to equate pulling the trigger. I like to think there is a happy medium in there. I'm not trying to convince anyone of my take on it, but I base it on real world experience rather than a lot of classroom discussion.
 
scott1970 said:
I have to disagree based on my experiences. A drawn handgun can work wonders without having to shoot someone. I may not be well versed in the minutiae of concealed carry, but drawing doesn't have to equate pulling the trigger. I like to think there is a happy medium in there. I'm not trying to convince anyone of my take on it, but I base it on real world experience rather than a lot of classroom discussion.
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I see you have a law enforcement badge in your icons. Are you speaking from your experience as a law enforcement officer in pointing your pistol at bad guys, or your experience as a private citizen with a CCW permit pointing your pistol at bad guys? Huge difference . . .
 
scott1970 said:
I have to disagree based on my experiences. A drawn handgun can work wonders without having to shoot someone.
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You are correct sir. The intent behind #1 was really to deter the assailant or to prevent some crime. It doesn't necessarily need to be to "shoot" the bad guy. If I amended it to say, "To stop the threat" would that be better?

Muss,
You're correct with your "if" statement. However, I can think of no reason to take the gun out other than what I listed. Showing off your carry gun is just potential for disaster.
 
Rastoff said:
You are correct sir. The intent behind #1 was really to deter the assailant or to prevent some crime. It doesn't necessarily need to be to "shoot" the bad guy. If I amended it to say, "To stop the threat" would that be better?

Muss,
You're correct with your "if" statement. However, I can think of no reason to take the gun out other than what I listed. Showing off your carry gun is just potential for disaster.
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I'm confused. You appear to take one position about displaying a carry gun with your first comment and a completely different position with your second.

Bracing myself for the various "brandishing" state law comments . . .
 
scott1970 said:
A drawn handgun can work wonders without having to shoot someone. I may not be well versed in the minutiae of concealed carry, but drawing doesn't have to equate pulling the trigger.
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Years ago, an old cowboy/mule packer told me, "When ya hafta pull your gun, pull 'er talkin'.":o

I'm not sure I can agree with that completely. I, too, would like to think there is some middle ground.
 
Rastoff said:
  1. To shoot the bad guy. That is why we carry after all.
  2. To practice at the range.
  3. To put the gun away at the end of the day. (or on the night stand or under your pillow ;) )

There is no other reason to take the gun out. If we'd all follow this simple list, there'd be a lot less negligent discharges in the news.
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4. To clean it.
 
i have a few more reasons than the O.P.

4. For cleaning
5. To convince the bad guy to reconsider his actions without being shot
6. For maintenance other than cleaning
6. For showing to friends and other shooters
7. To dryfire for practice
8. To admire
9. When buying accessories such as a holster
10. For laying on the desk when sitting typing on the computer
 
In Ohio, you are not allowed to pull your carry gun for the purpose of "scaring off a bad guy". It is call "Brandishing" and is cause to loose your permit. In many jurisdictions in the state, showing a holstered handgun falls into this category, but is still unclear in the written code. BTW, no warning shots either. Ivan
 
Someone already added what I would have to the list
so let me say this instead

I suspect this thread isn't going to end well. I also suspect it grew out of my comment in another thread. So rather than derail that thread let me say this.

I believe that unnecessary administrative handling of a loaded fire arm is dangerous because it opens the door for things to go wrong that wouldn't have been able to go wrong if I had simply left the gun holstered.

When I bring my carry guns home from the range I unload and clean them. Then I load them and I holster them and I leave them that way until the next time I clean/lubricate them or take them to the range. The only exceptions being if I put them in the safe I unholster them so there's no condensation.

A loaded gun isn't a toy, I don't play with them and I wouldn't hand you a loaded gun (or unload it to hand it to you ) unless I had a really good reason to and just showing off my new gun doesn't count.

About the only time I would show off my gun is at the range when I have it out anyway and (I assume obviously) I would clear the weapon, Show you the empty magazine well and say "No Magazine". Show you the empty chamber and say "The chamber is empty" and wait for you to acknowledge that the chamber is empty then hand you the gun and if you wish to fire it then hand you a loaded magazine.

So call me anal, I'll be anal without any extra holes in me.

Not everyone knows firearms safety, I watched a neighbor of mine pick up a (thank God unloaded) gun and repeatedly pull the trigger because he didn't know any better.
 
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Does pulling out every AR build, 1911, M&P, Sigs, and a bunch of other guns at a beer/BBQ party count? :p...I swear every one of them double, thriple cheeecked fora ammo.


:eek::eek:Joking, but we all know it happens.
 
I do not have a CCW permit yet. Twice I have displayed the 686-3 SS
6" on the front poarch and inside the front door. Both times we did things my way and it has never been pointed at another human. All was settled peacfully 1 w/a 911 call and the 2nd w/o. For this I am grateful for all involved. Both times it was teenagers doing what they should not have been doing...

Best thing is; I seriously doubt if any of them ever messed with anyone again. At least that's my wish for them.
 
S&W SS Revolvers said:
I do not have a CCW permit yet. Twice I have displayed the 686-3 SS
6" on the front poarch and inside the front door. Both times we did things my way and it has never been pointed at another human. All was settled peacfully 1 w/a 911 call and the 2nd w/o. For this I am grateful for all involved. Both times it was teenagers doing what they should not have been doing...

Best thing is; I seriously doubt if any of them ever messed with anyone again. At least that's my wish for them.
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I would like to strongly suggest that you read your state statutes for felony menacing or use of force. In Colorado you can't use a gun threaten someone unless you would be justified in using deadly force anyway.
 
Ha! Here in AZ one can threaten deadly force to defend real property. Sure does make the point when the business's end of a smoke wagon is leveled at some scofflaw trespasser. Then, the would be victim/scofflaw cries to the police that they were assailed.....they are promptly charged with criminal trespassing once he matter has been investigated. The property owner is justified. See ARS 13-407.A for the language of the law.
 
Muss Muggins said:
I see you have a law enforcement badge in your icons. Are you speaking from your experience as a law enforcement officer in pointing your pistol at bad guys, or your experience as a private citizen with a CCW permit pointing your pistol at bad guys? Huge difference . . .
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I'm speaking from on duty and off duty. On duty is quite different, and I realize that. Off duty draw has occurred just one time, but it was in a seedy part of Savannah, GA.:D

I believe the OP's first point is what really got me thinking about this to the point of first replying..."to shoot the bad guy...that is why we carry after all." I don't carry to shoot folks whether I'm on duty or not. It tote it to hopefully save hind ends...mine, co-workers, family members, strangers. And I know a handgun can be used to that end successfully when drawn from the holster without pulling the trigger.

And for the record, I've never had a state issued carry permit. I've had good intentions for many years now, but I keep forgetting.
 
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