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retnavyshooter
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Ceapea,It is a Quality Hardware, 1944 GI carbine. Never have a problem with GI ammo
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.30 cal. carbine reloading
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Weird!
I've got a Rock-Ola that loves the Aguila. I won a recent NRA M1 Carbine Match using mine with Aguila ammo.
Good Luck!
DWalt
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Back in the old days, before duPont sold off its powder business, they published a .30 Carbine loading for 4227 in their reloading data folders, and it was also shown in the older Lyman reloading manuals. I am sure it works OK, but I have never used it, only 110 and 2400.
ddraper
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I have a DuPont book and a Sierra book, both from the mid 80s, that have 30 Carbine load data for IMR4227. If you go to Hodgdon online load data they have some load data.
One thing to be aware of with military ammo is that China loaded a batch of counterfeit rounds marked LC52. These were corrosive berdan primed so double check any of this date LC you come across. Also even though it is a straight wall case and you can get carbide dies you still need to lube the case.
elpac3
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Absolutely correct on having to lube carbine cases even with carbide dies. Makes for a PIA since I wash my cases before I size to minimize die scratching - then they get washed a second time to clean off the lube.
Sure are clean by the time I am finished with them though
Sure are clean by the time I am finished with them though
Using standard small pistol primers might possibly be a problem due to cup length and thickness and also while they are the same diameter they are often not as long as rifle primers. Magnum pistol primers should have a thicker cup and do work fine for me regardless of cup length.
I thought it was 4227 that was made for 30C? I've used H110 and 4227 and found the 4227 more accurate so that's all I use now.
Speer makes a JHP 110 that is not only much more lethal than ball or soft point it also has a longer bearing surface and has given be the best accuracy out of every carbine I've tried it in.
I thought it was 4227 that was made for 30C? I've used H110 and 4227 and found the 4227 more accurate so that's all I use now.
Speer makes a JHP 110 that is not only much more lethal than ball or soft point it also has a longer bearing surface and has given be the best accuracy out of every carbine I've tried it in.
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I have been reloading and shooting an IBM & a Underwood & a Quality Hardware since 2008. I mainly use H110 & 2400. I use 110 gr. jacketed bullets and 110 gr cast GC bullets.......I've never trimmed a case... In fact the Quality got shot today with cases that have been loaded 3/4 times .....Never had a problem......Maybe something I need to look into doing.
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Ivan the Butcher
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I loaded a batch of 6000 or so back in the mid 80's. Used H-110, 110 FMJ and WSR primer. It was a great combo in 2 IBM's, a Quality Hdw. and 2 crappy Universals. I have a few hundred left. The still shoot great. I used a RCBS carbide die from 1980, loaded the big batch on a Dillon 450 lubed every third round!
I believe the old H-110 and w-296 were the same chemically, but were of different density. Hodgdon says they are the same now, but if your powder is before 1998, go with older data for the correct powder. Store in 30 or 50 cal ammo cans, keeps the humidity out! Stored this way I never has a dud, even with 35 year old reloads. If using cast bullets be sure they are gas checked, so the gas block doesn't soldier shut. I used the 117 grain Lyman 32-20 bullet with GC and 4227 H or IMR. They were a little slower than H-110 jacketed loads but worked fine. My experience with the Speer 100 grain half jacket was disappointing!
Ivan
I believe the old H-110 and w-296 were the same chemically, but were of different density. Hodgdon says they are the same now, but if your powder is before 1998, go with older data for the correct powder. Store in 30 or 50 cal ammo cans, keeps the humidity out! Stored this way I never has a dud, even with 35 year old reloads. If using cast bullets be sure they are gas checked, so the gas block doesn't soldier shut. I used the 117 grain Lyman 32-20 bullet with GC and 4227 H or IMR. They were a little slower than H-110 jacketed loads but worked fine. My experience with the Speer 100 grain half jacket was disappointing!
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DWalt
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The French and Dominican Republic .30 Carbine ammunition is also corrosively primed. You are not too likely to find any of that today, but years ago, there was a lot of it sold on the surplus market.
CMP published this paper that may be of interest to those shooting and/or loading for the M1 Carbine:
Carbine Shooting With Accuracy
Carbine Shooting With Accuracy
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REM1875
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Reloaded most with 130 gr lyman cast bullets for a military and copy, never had problems with case length till i was showing some to my uncle for his military and they left egg all over my face.
Years later got a Ruger Blackhawk, finally- instantly found out they must be trimmed.
Great fun round. Great carbine for smaller frame woman who usually blaze through a mag so damned fast you would swear it was full auto once they find out it goes bang as soon a you pull the trigger.
Notes-
DO NOT load one in the tube and then let the bolt go home as it may force it into a crimp in the rifling situation. Always allow rounds to be stripped from magazine.
Warning- the revolver with many loads will cause an ear splitting crack that may not win you fans among your neighbors.
Years later got a Ruger Blackhawk, finally- instantly found out they must be trimmed.
Great fun round. Great carbine for smaller frame woman who usually blaze through a mag so damned fast you would swear it was full auto once they find out it goes bang as soon a you pull the trigger.
Notes-
DO NOT load one in the tube and then let the bolt go home as it may force it into a crimp in the rifling situation. Always allow rounds to be stripped from magazine.
Warning- the revolver with many loads will cause an ear splitting crack that may not win you fans among your neighbors.
Frank46
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I've shot the 110 grain RN,110 grain hollow point, the 100 grain Speer varminter, 100 grain speer half jacket, sierra 110 grain HP all out of the M1 carbine. Powders used at the time were either 2400 or 4227 with small rifle primers. Frank
DWalt
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I once made up some .30 Carbine loads using 130 grain cast bullets, and even some of the saboted .22 Remington "Accelerator" bullets. There is lots of room for innovation in reloading the .30 Carbine. As I said earlier, I used .32-20 level lead bullet loads in my .30 Carbine Ruger Blackhawk for CAS.
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retnavyshooter
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Loaded 20 rounds with 110 gr. xstream bullets, 14 gr. H110. Was careful to stay in tolerance with case length. All good,with this formula. Has anyone used the coated carbine bullets from Bayou? Have used their pistol bullets with good results.
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I have, used 14.5 gr of H110; works fine in mine
elpac3
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Tried the 110 grain coated bullets from Bayou. Seated them to 1.680, same as my FMJ rounds, could not get them to chamber 
Bullet diameters measured out OK but a definate no-go in my rifle.
Not really sure what the issue was, may have been the OAL was correct but the change in shape of the ogive may have been the issue.
Went back to Hornady FMJ and have not had any issues.
Bullet diameters measured out OK but a definate no-go in my rifle.Not really sure what the issue was, may have been the OAL was correct but the change in shape of the ogive may have been the issue.
Went back to Hornady FMJ and have not had any issues.
DWalt
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Probably Ogive shape. I have had the same happen in other rifle calibers using different bullets. You may have to seat your bullets a little deeper to prevent bullet interference with the rifling. Should not be a problem.
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