$ 3000.+ Pistols

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I think it is kinda like watches. If all you want to know is what time it is, an inexpensive quartz does a terrific job. If you want a piece of art you will probably want to go with a high end mechanical.

But it is not just "rich" guys who buy these custom or semicustom 1911s. There are folks who -- like with watches, by the way -- admire and appreciate them so much that it is worth sacrificing other things for in order to afford them. Nothing wrong with that.

Like they say, to each his own.:)
Exactly what I was trying to say, wish you had posted earlier, I could have saved the hour I spent getting my post juuuust right.;)

And I'm going to borrow your analogy about who buys them and why, that's perfect.
 
I have read the very same thing and don't get it.
Had some buddies go thru that phase years ago.
Buy a stock.. in our case..Colts...then spend a load
tweekin it.
I picked up this...all the doo-dads I need or want.
I run classic hardball 230 gr and once in a while
some hollowpoints.
Nary a hic-up.
1986 vintage Colt Government Enhanced in Bright SS.
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Those are some ice grips you have there.
 
I had an uncle who taught me to drive. He was into racing professionally. He designed a car that went over 400 mph at Bonneville, managed a dragstrip, crew-chiefed at Indianapolis, etc. He always said the determining factor was NOT the car but the driver! The car was always better than the man.

The more you mess with something, the more to go wrong. I have a dozen or more 1911's==all are stock except for grips. I would (and have) trust my life to any one of them. My EDC is a stock Glock==it goes bang when I want it to. Ugly, no charm, will never be a BBQ gun but it works. You have all seen my BBQ guns. Pictures of the Glock-no reason!
 
The watch analogy is right on the money!

People like quality. It's industrial art.

I paid more than I'd care to say for a Sig P210-1. Why? It has horrible ergonomics, only holds 8 rounds.

The way it was made. Totally thought out and of the absolute highest quality of materials and craftsmanship.

Certainly second to any wonder 9 in terms of capacity or ergonomics, but head and shoulders above any current 9mm in terms of accuracy right out of the box. Sphinx might be an exception, but it's based on the 210, so...

We put our hard earned money where it makes up most happy.
 
I owned a few metric bikes before I bought my first Harley. Those metric bikes were just as reliable (maybe more so), just as stylish, and got me to where I was going on two wheels. But, by golly, they weren't a Harley.

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I've been trying to talk myself into buying a Wilson Combat for years. One of these days....

Danger, Will Robinson! :)

Bought a gently used Wilson XTAC Compact a couple months ago. I was and am quite happy with my Sig P220 and P245 for SD, but the Wilson is *so* much better. Comparing them is apples and oranges...but the Wilson begs to be used, and carried, and sneaks into the range bag at the slightest chance. It is also more accurate than the P245 (same barrel length) and on par with the P220.

Whether it's worth the money is an open question. I share the perspective that the shooter is the real variable, not the gun. The fit and finish of the Wilson is clearly at a higher level, and shows in accuracy. I do like the heavier P220, but the Wilson is a better package (and for its price, should be.) I still like revolvers, but I do understand why the premium price 1911s fetch the $$.
 
If you are one of the better competition shooters around and you spend tens of thousands if not more training and practicing and attending tournaments, making certain you don't loose because of your equipment makes good sense. It is a small price to pay.

For a guy like me it is insanity to pay that kind of money for one pistol. I am not good enough to utilize the small improvement in accuracy that extra money can buy.

In fact the more tightly fitting a semi-auto is the more likely it is to jam at some point, so for self defense I will take one of my third generation S&W's any day even if the price were equal. For self-defense you need to be able to count on your pistol to be reliable first and foremost, and an extremely highly accurate pistol is secondary.
 
I shot an informal steel plate match tonight with about 10 other guys at the range. I can tell you with certainty that having an expensive pistol will not make you a better shooter, a faster shooter, or a more accurate shooter. All having an expensive pistol will do is give on the ability to say they own an expensive pistol. What one does beyond that is up to them. I would suggest practice, practice and more practice. Because in a true SD situation, with an adrenalin dump, I would guess at best, most folks would do well putting 2 shots in a 12" plate at close distance. At that point, does having a gun that can shoot 3/4" groups really matter?
 
I shot an informal steel plate match tonight with about 10 other guys at the range. I can tell you with certainty that having an expensive pistol will not make you a better shooter, a faster shooter, or a more accurate shooter. All having an expensive pistol will do is give on the ability to say they own an expensive pistol. What one does beyond that is up to them. I would suggest practice, practice and more practice. Because in a true SD situation, with an adrenalin dump, I would guess at best, most folks would do well putting 2 shots in a 12" plate at close distance. At that point, does having a gun that can shoot 3/4" groups really matter?

True it does not make you a better shooter, but it sure does feel a lot better shooting a custom house gun than a normal piece. I have custom guns that feel like butter they run so smooth. It makes you shoot better from its reliability and movement. Kind of like what is better a Rolex or a Seiko. If you have the means then nothing runs like a Rolex but Seiko's are a good everyday piece as well.

Guess it comes down to preference, I am a Nighthawk man like I am a Ford man. So to me those are the brands which represent me and what I choose to use.
 
A fine 1911, an Anschutz Match Rifle, or a .22 Match Pistol won't turn you into Camp Perry Champion or an Olympic Grade shooter. But they won't hurt either.

Go look at the pistols shot by the top ten at Camp Perry, or those in the finals of the various international competitions, you will not find any HI Points.

If the question is, would you be well advised to carry one in harm's way, the answer is an emphatic no.

If I had a full coverage factory engraved S&W .44 magnum, I surely would not carry it in the woods hunting bears either.

I suppose that if I was a man of means, and if I carried a 1911 for SD, I would not worry if it was a Les Baer because it could be replaced. Any firearm you carry for SD should be one that you can afford to lose.
 
Buy expensive Custom 1911's for matches.Basic GI spec for Self defense.At least that is how I have always done it.
 
This is the most expensive 1911 I have,The price of the grips puts it over the $500.00 mark. It's a Rock Island 1911.

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My first 1911 was a Kimber Custom Classic. First generation before they put the Schwartz safety in them. Had a trigger job done on it. I loved the gun.

The gun never hiccuped. Was accurate enough and carried well. I really thought I had something. That was until a friend let me shoot his Wilson.:o I fell in love all over again.

Like everything else, it's not about need. It's about want and what you can afford. Someday I too will own a custom 1911.

Because like a finely tuned highly polished blued revolver, a finely tuned 1911 makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over. ;)

A work of art is not supposed to be cheap.
 
It all depends on what you want in, or out of, a gun and cost is relative. I've got $3000 custom 1911s and I've had stock S&W revolvers that brought over $3000. People say they'd never spend $XXX on a gun but it's surprising what you'll do when the want arises and if all you have experienced is stock polymer autos or base model 1911s or run of the mill, off the shelf revolvers, then it's hard to imagine what $1000, $2000, $3000 or more might buy you. And, "buying up" is addictive in the sense that, once you've handled/carried/shot guns that are better built, hand fitted, customized, whatever, it's hard to go backwards. Even Performance Center guns are often head and shoulders above their production line counterparts in terms of trigger feel, fit, and finish, for only a few hundred dollars more.

Obviously, whether we like it or not, quality costs money. In the gun world that fact is probably most obvious where 1911s are concerned. As the prices increase so do the quality of the components and finishes and the amount of hand work involved in the fitting and finishing of the gun. To a point, that translates into greater reliability, better accuracy, improved trigger, etc..

Of course, you can't get better than 100% reliability and few shooters will be held back by the accuracy of even a decent quality production 1911 these days. Beyond that is where the high end production 1911s start to come into their own with accuracy and trigger weight guarantees, more hand work, tighter tolerances, all forged components, etc..

Then there's the custom 1911, or any custom gun, really. That is where you start getting into the art of the build - the perfectly fit parts, the slippery smooth movement of the slide, the unblemished polish, the warmth of hand checkering and serrations, and the artistic touches that set each custom gunsmith apart from the other - when the gun has become a collaboration of your vision and the gunsmith's ability to render that vision in metal.

Honestly, there is nothing like having a custom gun built for yourself. The gunsmith that I use has done a lot of custom work for me over nearly a decade now. He has a sense of my "style" and what I like. He knows that he has the freedom to be an artist and not just a mechanic when working on my guns, to make calls on aesthetics as well as what components and tolerances. I have over $3000 into this Colt ORM 1991A1 .38 Super. It was built to be the all around, do everything gun that I wanted. It's has 9mm, .38 Super, and 9x23 Winchester barrels. It was made to fit me, the grip frame and MSH have been recontoured so that they fit my hand perfectly. It is smooth as silk, the trigger is just under 3.5lbs and is perfectly crisp and clean, it will shoot well under 2" with each barrel at 25yds. The gun was built to shoot and carry and it gets used all the time, it is my regular carry gun, I shoot it in Action Pistol and 3 gun, and, come deer season I'm going to see if I can't get a buck with it.
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Is that a lot of money? Yeah. But it is exactly what I wanted, I did not settle or compromise on anything. I've got other custom and worked over guns that I've put money into as well, that's just the way things work, you want something, you have to pay for it. The more you want, the more it costs.

I'm having a Commander built for my son to commemorate his accomplishments in the military. It will be his gun, the only one like it, built just for him. And, every time he picks it up, shoots it, carries it, lays it on the nightstand when he goes to bed, he'll remember that.

Beautiful gun. I'm jealous. Is it wrong to covet another mans gun? :o:D
 
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I find it funny that someone on this forum would dare make fun of someone spending 3000+ on a 1911. Look at all the extra we spend on a S&W revolver just because it has stocks that sell for $500 by themselves. They only made xxx of this model so it commands a premium or $400.
Does a rare model or proper stocks make you shoot better?

I would love a Wilson 1911, the look, the design of the small features, you can't get that from a stock $500 gun. Some people don't understand why anyone would own 10 guns. To them if is just a waste of money. I always weigh the price to performance issue, but sometimes owning something extra nice is a treat. If you have the money why not, I can't imagine that holding $3000 stack of bills in your hand is as fun as holding and shooting a $3000 fine pistol.
 
There are some people that just want high end 1911s, I have a friend who has nine of them (Wilsons, Kimbers, Colts and fancier customs whose names I forget because I will never have one) and the S&W E series is the "cheapo" although that would be high end for me. I have a Sheriff's trade in S&W Model 4506 and that is my 1911 for now.
 
What's the difference between a $450,000 Ferrari and a $25,000 Subaru? (other than the obvious $425,000 price difference). They both will get you where you want to go. One will be faster (maybe, but you may be delayed by your discussion with the Highway Patrol). The difference is that the Ferrari will get you chicks, the Subaru, not so much. Same thing with the high dollar pistols, it's all about the chicks. (not so much of an issue at the stage of life I'm in :eek:)

This a good example of how a product is used. I drive a 2011 Subaru Outback. I would not try to keep up with a Ferrari on a paved highway. The Ferrari should not try to keep up with me on a dirt or gravel road or follow me into the mud.

It is not price, it is what you want to use it for.
 
I've been "culling the herd " as they say.

Gosh, I have owned some beautiful, beautiful guns, S&W Registered Magnums, Colt Officer Models from three decades. Bowen custom gun, etc. Wilson Combat Supergrade. And more. W&K 44 HEs.

Recently, last coupla years, I have been unloading them. Passing them on. It's time.

I am down to — handguns — about a half dozen or so now. I have kept the ones that I have had worked on, tuned up, by a great revolversmith.

But I enjoyed all those high-end handguns that I owned. Even the few, the very few, that I did not shoot.

Holding them in my hand, considering their pasts, with a glass of a well heeled bourbon at my side, was a pleasure I will not forget.

So, just saying and all, there is a pleasure to be had through researching the history of various guns, tracking them down, acquiring them, enjoying them for a few -- or more -- years and then, if it feels right, letting them go.

We ain't all great pistoleros. But, we can all appreciate the great pistols.

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Catch and release. (To use Michael Stern's very apt phrase.)
 
I like 1911's - I own one, a Smith & Wesson sku# 108284. To tell you the truth, I would rather have the 108282 but since I am a lefty I need the ambi safety. In spite of what the Col says, if I could shoot 6" groups at 50 yards consistently with this gun, I'd be thrilled. The gun was originally meant and built to be a close quarters totally reliable center mass defensive firearm. Period. Tolerances were loose for that reason. It's the ONLY gun that I can think of that can be completely and I mean completely stripped down with the only tool needed being the little bitty screw driver tip on the can opener on your swiss army knife to turn the little screw in the magazine ejector button to release the catch. The gun as is from the factory is stone cold reliable (at least mine is ) until one begins to screw with it .
The only thing wrong with mine is that I wish I has the Novak rear sight the 108282 has and I wish I had a shorter GI trigger. (If anyone has one and wants to send it to me-I'll send you back the factory trigger :D)
Oh and I wish it has the two piece recoil spring rod cause I just think that looks way cooler than having that rod sticking out on recoil and because that was the way JMB originally dedigned it.
And before someone says anything, I also like the swartz (or whatever they call their Series 80 safety) thingy in it. Now I'm going for my walk and would hope to return to a bunch of lively responses to my post telling me that I'm full of it and preferably one that is willing to swap me(or sell cheep) for that GI trigger :D
 
You're full of it!!!! :D

Actually the way you describe the 1911 is exectly the way I want mine. Don't need it to guarantee any kind of bullseye at 50 yards. All I want is center mass reliable gun. That's all it was ever ment to be. The sniper crowd took it and ran with it and now if it can't land one bullet inside the next it's no good. All I wish for it to be is today's superior metallurgy with the reliability of the originals.

BTW I own a Springfield TRP
 
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