Lots of hype about the danger of overpenetration if you ever have to fire your gun in SD and you are not an LEO. The odds of having to shoot some perp in a parking lot somewhere who is trying to rob you while some little old lady is standing right behind him is about the same as winning the Powerball lottery. About one in 325 million I think.
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+1 for Fiocchi 73-Gr FMJ. Warmer than most .32 out there and I’ve found it to be very reliable.
gwpercle
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I can honestly tell you ...
In a Gunfight ... the cost of ammo never enter's your mind .
Just ask yourself ... How much is my life worth .
My Walther PPK likes Federal Hydra-Shok Personal Defense 68 gr. ... it functions 100 % and is accurate ... No idea of cost ...
I want it to work and it does for me in my PPK .
I just checked price ... 20 rounds $36.99 . Yes it is pricey ammo but it works well , I can hit with it and I believe in the ammo ... I pay the price and am OK with it ... I also reload so I make a lot of plinking & tin can ammo for cheap .
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True… but it isn’t the cost of ammo in that gunfight that will bother most people. It’s the cost of the ammo to train so that you can hit your target in said gunfight that will bother people. Unlike yourself, most people do not reload ammo.
Unfortunately, most people do not train a lot… and for some, do not train at all. Hell, I am sure that some people in this forum maybe fired a box of ammo when they got their carry gun… and haven’t shot it since. It isn’t trying to shame people or start arguments… but it is just a glaring fact. I get it, life sometimes gets in the way. But if you take self defense seriously enough to carry a gun, why not confirm you can at least run the gun when needed?
At my work, our qualifications show who just shoots their duty guns twice a year (at said qualifications) and those who actually practice with it on their own time. The former will pass, but you see it getting closer to the lower limit instead of perfect/near perfect scores. And that is just stress of people knowing they are shooting to be allowed to do their job… not having rounds coming back at them or people bleeding out. Last class I went to with my duty gun, I shot enough ammo (personally purchased) that I would have shot across 3 years of qualifying. It is also partially the reason why I’m lined up for an instructor position.
Ammo costs is a similar argument to people who argue that they carry a large gun… and week after week of carrying it, they start leaving it at home because of the weight/bulk. Someone’s life worth carrying that 38 ounce gun (unloaded) on their hip?
The only person likely to get hit with a FMJ round that "over penetrates" a perp is his cohort, a good outcome.
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Wiinter clothing does not make that much difference, other than increasing the probability of clogging. In which case it will act similar to FMJ in that weight.
Again, a barrel longer will generally provide more power to the bullet. And increased distance will decrease the velocity. So any of these test are at best a glimpse into what may happen.
Paul Harrell. Concealed carry: Shooting through Winter Clothing (youtube)
Again, a barrel longer will generally provide more power to the bullet. And increased distance will decrease the velocity. So any of these test are at best a glimpse into what may happen.
Paul Harrell. Concealed carry: Shooting through Winter Clothing (youtube)
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randyp
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I also use the Fiocchi 73 grain FMJ in .32ACP. Works well in a Walther PP, Colt 1903 Pocket Hamerless and a Mauser HSc.
Fishinfool
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In my .32's and .380's that I actually carry, I like a flat nosed FMJ bullet. Theoretically anyway, it should penetrate straighter and do more tissue damage than a RN FMJ.
I live in the sticks, and background crowds are not as big of a consideration in selecting a SD bullet as it might be in a crowded environment.
Larry
I live in the sticks, and background crowds are not as big of a consideration in selecting a SD bullet as it might be in a crowded environment.
Larry
"The only person likely to get hit with a FMJ round that "over penetrates" a perp is his cohort, a good outcome."
"Lots of hype about the danger of overpenetration if you ever have to fire your gun in SD and you are not an LEO. The odds of having to shoot some perp in a parking lot somewhere who is trying to rob you while some little old lady is standing right behind him is about the same as winning the Powerball lottery. About one in 325 million I think."
What is this, comedy hour? Really?
"Lots of hype about the danger of overpenetration if you ever have to fire your gun in SD and you are not an LEO. The odds of having to shoot some perp in a parking lot somewhere who is trying to rob you while some little old lady is standing right behind him is about the same as winning the Powerball lottery. About one in 325 million I think."
What is this, comedy hour? Really?
SGT ROCK 11B
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I think that a lot of people do not realize they sometimes they do not get to pick where the shootout is.
Overpenetration? I'd worry more about the misses that didn't get slowed down by the bad guy's body.
No. It's a reality check about the ridiculous hype about the danger of "over penetration" should anyone ever have to use their little .32 auto to defend their life.
I have an NAA Guardian and I carry Fiocchi 73gr fmj which has never bobbled, never a second primer strike needed, and the extra snap makes for perfect cycling. It also loves Silvertips and Gold Dots but I carry the Fiocchi for the penetration. I suggest sending yours in to NAA. They will fix it for free. I know this because my first Guardian had an issue and they actually replaced it with a brand new gun. The customer service is exceptional. Contact them on their web site.
In the past I used Winchester silvertip .32acp. Negative complaints.
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In .32acp I'd only use FMJ. The reason is HP ammo will not expand in that caliber anyway, so why limit penetration? At least the FMJ will penetrate a bit.
That said, unless a .32acp is the only gun you have for CCW/EDC I'd not carry a .32acp for self defense. Just not enough stopping power IMO.
That said, unless a .32acp is the only gun you have for CCW/EDC I'd not carry a .32acp for self defense. Just not enough stopping power IMO.
As .32 acp is semi-rimmed, it's worth a few minutes to read up on the subject of rim lock:
P32 rimlock - The Firing Line Forums
P32 rimlock - The Firing Line Forums
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