3913NL I think I need one.

That "LE only" is a Winchester policy vigil617. That is what I am told at the local police supply - where I still have to show credentials to purchase it.

BUT - every local gunshow I have attended.......back when we still HAD gunshows, had multiple boxes in various calibers for sale with NO restrictions. Anyone can walk up and buy it. And at LGSs that carry Winchester ammo, you can buy 20 round boxes of Winchester "PDX" - which appears, to me, to be the same round as RA9T, albeit in a smaller count box, with repackaging. Regards 18DAI
 
Thanks for the tip on the PDX.

The RA9T is also regularly sold on the big site, as shown by a quick look at recently completed sales. Looks like anything less than a buck a round plus shipping will get offers, which for quality self-defense ammunition is not, IMHO, an unreasonable price, especially these days.

It probably goes without saying, but buying what one considers the most reliable and most effective SD ammo should be part and parcel of the responsibility of carrying a weapon. When I consider what's a stake, price shouldn't be a factor.
 
Shortly after starting this thread my friend M29since14 contacted me and offered me an excellent 3913NL

Great pistol, great deal, great friend! Thank you M29since14! I appreciate you! I have spent the last several weeks wringing it out at the range. :)

Another friend, runwiththeherd, generously sent me new grips, new mag and some spare parts to keep it running. Thank you my friend! :)

The 3913NL runs great, conceals easily and is now seeing a lot of use as a training pistol. It is going to the range again this afternoon. This time to teach a new female shooter how to run a concealable 9mm.

There are a lot of fine folks on this section of the board. I appreciate them! My sincere thanks! :) Best regards, 18DAI
 

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Thanks for the kind words, John. These are great little pistols and deserve more credit than they get, but as John M said above, "plastic is cheaper" - and so we are stuck with the current M&P series. :rolleyes:

Luckily, there are still enough old-production S&Ws out there that are no longer considered fashionable or interesting by the younger generation that us old timers can grab up whenever we see them. 18DAI "needed" this pistol and I'm pleased it went to a good home where it will be appreciated - and used! :)
 
Thank you again my friend! :)

That nice 3913NL is making more converts. Everyone who shoots it wants one. Amazing the number of people who are unaware these fine pistols exist.

BTW, the gun being little used, had a slightly heavy - but very smooth - DA pull. That has lightened up nicely! Great pistol! Best regards, 18DAI
 
Love the NL....... paid the premium for a first year model and added 2 more over the years..... when stupid folks traded them in on Glocks 26/27s.
They were too cheap to leave behind.

Back in the Burgh for a few days and will switch over to my 3913NL with the short 7rd mag. in a sparks summer special....... and 2 spare 8rd flat bottom mags in a Sparks IWB double pouch worn between my tan Wilderness Tactical Frequent Flyer belt and wranglers.......
 
Some random thoughts today, from a "45 guy" still working on getting comfortable with 9mm. Now don't get me wrong, I am a card carrying member of the shot placement school. As I tell my students, carry the biggest gun you can conceal, in the largest caliber you can control and get fast accurate hits with. Put a 22 through their eye socket and they won't know it wasn't a 45.

That said, I still carry 45s. Especially when I feel that the threat level, where I will be, is elevated. Like on Saturdays at the local indoor range. ;) It is a psychological thing. After decades of carrying 45s and working GSW Homicides - seeing people shot dead with everything from 22 to 7.62 and seeing many of those people shot with smaller calibers, saved by medical intervention - my "comfort level" is higher with a 45 on my belt. In these letigious times, who wants to shoot their assailant more than twice? ;)

And then there was the problem, for me, of actually shooting 9mm pistols ACCURATELY. I was having a problem putting rounds low right, to POA. Constantly. With large or compact pistols. It turns out, you have to shoot 9mm pistols like......9mm pistols. NOT like 45s. You have to adjust your grip, trigger control and follow through. My friend Fastbolt pointed out to me the things I needed to work on. And I incorporated my friend Mas Ayoobs "Wedge hold". By doing these things and practicing regularly with ONLY 9mm pistols, I have finally started putting rounds where I want them.

But I still have a ways to go. I still shoot 45s, especially little 45s, better than I do small 9mms. Old habits and all. But by shooting drills a few times a week when I am working at the range, I am getting pretty good with the 3913NL. I can now get sub 3 inch groups at 7 yards using a flash sight picture. And at the 3 yard line a Mozambique drill has my center mass hits a few millimeters apart and my head shot centered on the "T". I am very pleased with this pistol. And the DA trigger is breaking in very well. Thank you again M29since14!!

I have been carrying either the 3913NL or my CS9 every day for the last few weeks. The first few days working at the range or when I am on duty at the jail and go out to smoke, were.....not really comfortable. But, it is a problem I am overcoming. Good ammunition combined with shot placement overcomes all. No handgun is a death ray. And Winchester 147 RA9T has a good track record, on the street, of killing bugs dead. Especially from a sub 4 inch barrel. Which all my 9mm carry guns are.

Anyways, with the miserable NC heat and humidity right around the corner, I will be carrying either the 3913NL or the CS9 for the next few months. I still have 500 rounds of 9mm ball to work with for practice. And the idiocy with ammo pricing and availability appears to be starting to wane. At least locally. So it won't be as problematic to shoot 200 rounds a week. I will be keeping at it. And enjoying the fine 3913! :) Regards 18DAI
 
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Thanks again to my friend M29since14 for selling me this fine 3913NL. After the last 9 months I have around 600 rounds through it. The DA trigger has smoothed out nicely. The SA was always crisp. A good trigger is the foundation of an accurate handgun. Don't believe its not. Yea, you can learn how to work a lousy trigger, or work around it, but why would you bother?

Anyways, I had my 3913NL on while giving lessons today. One basic pistol 101 and an intermediate pistol 201 - how to employ your carry gun in basic self defense. While teaching the 201 course, I demonstrated a couple of drills. After two mags, while focusing on talking and teaching, rather than focusing on the shooting aspect, I noticed my 3913NL ate a 3 inch circle out of the center of the "triange" - formed by the chin and armpits of the silouette target. With cheap range fodder 124 grain ball. A VERY accurate and easy to shoot pistol.

It points naturally. And that is important on a carry gun that you will likely present in a hurry and shoot quickly. It is very easy to shoot "instinctively" too. Index and roll the trigger - get "A" hits. Great pistol.

Thanks again M29since14! :) I'm loving this fine nine! Regards 18DAI
 
Recently, I had the opportunity to acquire a 3913 from another forum member who was trying to figure out what the one owned was going for currently. I made him an offer and he accepted it. I think we both got a decent deal out of it. When I took it out and shot it, I remembered everything I loved about the Gen 3 S&W autos. I had carried them as plain clothes and off-duty guns back in the 80s and 90s.

As luck would have it, I ran across a second one on an auction site, new box. I won the auction at $440 and felt very lucky. It is as advertised and is a great little gun.

Having rekindled my love for these little pistols, I decide I had to get a 6906 to go with them (another one that I had owned in the days after revolvers and before polymer). I won one in another auction, again for $440. It was a typical LE agency trade in gun, and required a complete detail strip and cleaning. It had a few handling marks and some holster wear, as well as some pretty well-worn S&W Delrin grips. I replaced the grips and also found two more magazines. Again, another great acquisition. However, I will be carrying the 3913s the majority of the time. Plastic has been banished to the safe.
How could I ever forget how great these pistols are? I won't forget again.
 
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I got my 3913 as a LE trade-in a number of years ago. It's a great little gun. I added some Hogue wood grips to it, which makes it look pretty nice, but they do add a tad bit more width to the grip. It's a shame S&W stopped making mags for them.
 

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Around 1999 or 2000, a coworker offered to trade a 3913NL straight across for my 6906. I hesitated at first because I'd owned one a couple years earlier and didn't like it, but he convinced me that it was a good deal, so I did it. I had trader's remorse for quite a while until the comparative "lightness" (not that much, but noticeable when you carry it 8 to 12 hours per day) and the quarterly superior scores at the range vs. the larger gun started adding up. (I still don't know what my problem was with my first one - maybe I didn't take enough time to adjust my grip from the fatter 6900-series?) I still have it, going on 8 years into retirement, and still take it with me for every range trip. I've since acquired a couple more 3913s, a 3914DAO, and a Zanders 908, all documented here on the forum. It turned out to be a great design for me.
 
Thanks all! For the coments and info. I go back on duty tonight, for the next 7 nights. I also have lessons scheduled for Thursday afternoon. I will be carrying my 3913NL this week. That way I will also get a chance to shoot it some more too.

I still have my original 3913 and a 3914NL. I had a NYPD 3914DAO, but didn't care for the trigger and sold it to a friend. I also had one of the 3914 "prototypes" mentioned in the SCSW 4th Edition, but sold it to a co-worker who had a need and very little funds. I will probably pick up another 3914 at some point. But I am set for now.

I am still getting "comfortable" carrying 9mm pistols after decades of 45 use. But as a friend pointed out last week while we were shooting some drills last week, "That pistol likes you! You put two of those RA9T in them, like that, and they won't know it wasn't a 45."

It is easy to shoot quickly too. Follow through is natural and follow up shots come quickly. Those attributes, combined with the natural pointability make it a very easy to use defensive piece. Weight is negligible. And the thin profile makes it easy to conceal. Great carry gun! Regards 18DAI
 
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....shares daily duty with a 6906 and HK 45c...with the nod to the NL;)
 
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