40S&W case for 44 bullet?

[willy]

Anyone here do any playing around with the 40S&W case by makeing 44cal. bullets with it?
I seen where the 40S&W case was filled with lead then sized to .429.
My thought is to fill it with#6 shot and cap it with melted wax-180gr.(REDNECK SAFETY SLUG)
Or even fill it with sand then cap with wax for a 105gr. bullet.
I can come up with powder charges for the 180gr. load.
But when it comes to the 105gr. loads I have no idea of where to start.
Anyone have any ideas for powder charges?
I don't really know what use these loads would be ,but it will be interesting to see what they will do.

 

[OKFC05]

I don't really know what use these loads would be ,but it will be interesting to see what they will do.

You may find out...............

 

[Jellybean]

I seen where the 40S&W case was filled with lead then sized to .429.

willy, was this in a magazine or on the internet where I could possibly see it too? I've done quite a bit of experimenting myself, but this one sounds a little iffy.

 

[Bailey Boat]

Or even fill it with sand then cap with wax for a 105gr. bullet.

You ARE kidding, right????

 

[NKJ nut]

The case filled with lead to make a full wadcutter sounds like a better idea than the sand. Of course the core might separate from the "jacket" on live targets but if it did the lead would do more damage than sand would. And if that live target happened to be an edible, it would be a bummer trying to pick waxy sand out from between your teeth.

 

[ddixie884]

I saw something like this, in the swaging forum on Cast Boolits a while back.

 

[willy]

willy, was this in a magazine or on the internet where I could possibly see it too? I've done quite a bit of experimenting myself, but this one sounds a little iffy.

Seen it on the net awhile back but don't remember what site it was on.

 

[willy]

The case filled with lead to make a full wadcutter sounds like a better idea than the sand. Of course the core might separate from the "jacket" on live targets but if it did the lead would do more damage than sand would. And if that live target happened to be an edible, it would be a bummer trying to pick waxy sand out from between your teeth.

I wasn't expecting much more than wad cutter accuracy at anything more than 25-50yards if that.
And I wouldn't use it for hunting.
I was thinking more of a vermin load for anything from 10 lb. to ?lb.
What would a brass jacket do at 1800-2000fps?

Makes ya wonder,don't it?

 

[2152hq]

Check on some of the reloading forums in the 'bullet swaging' section.
Fairly common practice to use fired brass as a bullet jacket and the 40 brass case makes a pretty good 44 bullet from what I've read.
Same idea as making 35cal rifle bullets from 30carbine brass or even 22cf rifle bullets from empty 22rf brass.

Quite a bit of work but with the correct sizer and nose forming die that can be used in a standard reloading press, it can be done w/o much physical effort.
Many of the folks doing this tend to make their own dies rather than buy them from companys like Corbin, where they are very expensive.

Search through the posts on those forums and there's usually some pics w/explanations of the process and dies.
Even home made dies to punch out and form gas checks for cast bullets.
Some call it a labor of love,,others just don't like spending the $$ on commercial bullets.

Here's a link to the Cast Bullet Forum,,scroll down to 'Swaging Forum'.
There's quite a lot of info there.
Cast Boolits - Dedicated To The World Of Cast Bullets!

 

[buck460XVR]

Seen it on the net awhile back but don't remember what site it was on.

same here....seemed like a lotta work for a bullet with marginal accuracy and limited uses.

 

[handgunner356]

Maybe load a 9mm into the 40 case and have like a three stage rocket?

 

[Jellybean]

The idea had crossed my mind every time I sorted through varied range brass and found two, three or four cases nested together. I had looked at various combos for compatibility but wasn't satisfied with the amount of effort to the amount of gain ratio, in fact I'm still not.

I prefer lead bullets to jacketed for most of my shooting now and all handgun loads are lead, especially since the last trip to Gander Mtn with my son! All the pirates aren't in Somalia ya' know? I had made some redneck safety slugs years ago, by a different, somewhat, method and put them through some testing. While they showed some awesome performace the also showed some of the most dismal I've ever seen. I still have some laying around but they aren't going in any of my guns for serious work.

But I will go look at the other's results that are working with it, thanks.

 

[2152hq]

Here's a couple of threads on using empty brass for bullet jackets w/pics.

41 mag bullets from 40 S&W brass - Cast Boolits


9mm cases to make 40 caliber hollowpoints - Cast Boolits

 

[Jellybean]

2152hq, thanks for the links. I visit Cast Boolits every now and then but have never looked at the swaging threads. I bought Corbins "Handbook of Bullet Swaging No. 7" back about 1995 but put the idea on a back shelf, where it still sits with the book.

Cast Boolits also had a thread about making practice bullets from hot melt glue sticks that was pretty interesting. It's on the same back shelf for now too.

 

[revolverfan2]

I have an old herters super 3 press , its a beast, wonder if it would be good enough to do that?

 

[freedom 475]

I have done this with 100's of 475 Linbaughs and 480 Rugers using 45ACP brass loaded with shot as the projectile. It works GREAT!. I crimp the case mouth down as much as possible to give it a little shape. In the 475 they weigh 240grs. I can get them up around 2000fps.

Accuracy is just fine. I can hit my 14x16 steel plate at 100yrds easily as long as I do my part with iron sights. I know that is a big target and it's not hard to hit but I have never put them on paper. I have blown quite a few rabbits to shreads with them out to 50yrds. Being so light they do hit quite low so you have to compinsate a little

The really neat thing about them is the way they explode on target.. and Stop. they will not shoot clear through a milk jug full of water. The base of the shell will usually be in the jug or laying in the wet spot and the backside of the jug will be perforated from the shot.