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You might want to take a look at a post I just made to a thread in this section of the site about the 915 Pistol recently obtained by "Wes440": (This post was originally held back pending the...
Your gun (the 411) is the .40 caliber counterpart to his 9mm. Both are similar in features and concept (yours compares to what was the then standard Model 4004) and they were both the forerunners to the later (and more radically altered) "Value Series".
It's a good gun.
Tracer_Bullet
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I have a 410, which is the same gun except that the 410 originally came with 10 round mags, while the 411 came with 11 round mags.
It is a very good gun, reliable and accurate, but can be a little bulky to carry sometimes. I found it NIB last year. Mine is obviously later production with the MIM parts and no serrations on the front of the grip area of the frame.
It is a very good gun, reliable and accurate, but can be a little bulky to carry sometimes. I found it NIB last year. Mine is obviously later production with the MIM parts and no serrations on the front of the grip area of the frame.
Nice pistol TB, but please note that it's not "the same gun" as the 411. Your pistol has a squared-off slide with no locking lug on the barrel, a tapered dust cover, and likely has plastic sights, guide rod, and magazine catch. I have both a 915 and 910 (9mm versions of the 411/410 respectively), and those are the main differences. Funny thing, but I've actually been enjoying the 910 more at the range despite its "cruder" construction.
Nice pictures for a basic comparison dsk. 
Sometimes there may be some revisions and subtle changes that aren't necessarily easily seen, as well.
For example, I had to replace an extractor for one of the budget .40's (can't remember at the moment whether it was a 410 or a 411, though).
Having been surprised by unlisted parts differences among different 3rd gen models, I called customer service and asked to confirm the extractor & extractor spring part numbers, explaining I was an armorer and needed to order a couple of parts. (I had a lot of extractor springs, but no .40 extractors at that time.)
The person asked me for the serial number of the pistol, and when I asked why that was needed I was told that their in-house computer parts lists indicated a change in slide mass for that model at one point during production ... and it changed the extractor spring that was needed. They could tell me which spring was recommended by the serial number (range). (Slide mass has an effect upon the whole "moment-of-mass" thing when it involves a pivoting extractor that uses a spring to resist movement when being acted upon by recoil forces.)
The spring I was told ought to work was different than any other extractor spring I'd ever seen listed or used in another 3rd gen .40, or any other model.
Good thing I called.
Sometimes there may be some revisions and subtle changes that aren't necessarily easily seen, as well.
For example, I had to replace an extractor for one of the budget .40's (can't remember at the moment whether it was a 410 or a 411, though).
Having been surprised by unlisted parts differences among different 3rd gen models, I called customer service and asked to confirm the extractor & extractor spring part numbers, explaining I was an armorer and needed to order a couple of parts. (I had a lot of extractor springs, but no .40 extractors at that time.)
The person asked me for the serial number of the pistol, and when I asked why that was needed I was told that their in-house computer parts lists indicated a change in slide mass for that model at one point during production ... and it changed the extractor spring that was needed. They could tell me which spring was recommended by the serial number (range). (Slide mass has an effect upon the whole "moment-of-mass" thing when it involves a pivoting extractor that uses a spring to resist movement when being acted upon by recoil forces.)
The spring I was told ought to work was different than any other extractor spring I'd ever seen listed or used in another 3rd gen .40, or any other model.
Good thing I called.
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Tracer_Bullet
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Thanks for the info/clarification DSK. Everything that I had found on it so far claimed that it was a re-named 411 with a 10 shot magazine due to the assault weapons ban.
jaysan60
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I have a 411 I'm quite fond of -- I used it to qualify for my CCP way back when.
bad_man_ one
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I do agree, they (the 410 vs. 411, 910 vs. 915) have a few noticeable visual differences.
I just returned from Florida for what turned into an extended stay.
While there, I was able to get together with forum member Wesman a few times and this was just one of many things we spoke about.
The way I understand it;
The 915 and 411 were machined with the same design criteria and on the same machines as the 5903 and 4003 series.
Although they were being marketed as a less expensive "Value Line" series to get market share for LEO sales and many, many departments signed on with them.
Sales volumes were good but the profit margin was not, that did not go over well in the eyes of the bean counters.
If you get a chance to buy one, the price is usually less than a 5906 or 4003, the major components are basically the same.
Then the Clinton deal was signed with the whole 10 round thing and in order to keep a "Value Line" series going.
The 915 and 411 were were re-looked at and re-designed from an engineering stand point to be made in a more cost effective manner using newer,
more state-of-the-art methods of manufacturing, with more efficient machines, manufacturing processes and shop flow.
The 910 and 410 were born.
Do not let anyone lead you to believe that these are "cheap" firearms.
The have all most all of the same internals of the 915 and 411 and function as admirably.
I have a 410 in the two tone finish I got off GB for 299 once it was cleaned up I really dont think its been fired much and Im like you I love it.It really feels like your holding a pistol.I also have a 915 that I enjoy greatly right now its My fathers Truck gun because he carries an LCP everywhere I told him I didnt want him to be outgunned.
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