.44 spc,Truth or Myth?

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I was reading in one of my magazines that the .44 spc could be loaded hotter than factory .44 mag loads. For all you loaders out there, is this true? I just bought 2 .44 spc's, a M24 and a M696 after chasing a nice .44 spc for a while. For some reason, I really like this round, and it would be nice to know just how strong these rounds really are. Thanks
 
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We get more velocity from a 44 special with a cast lead load over a 44 mag case with the same powder and charge.

I'm not sure about a magnum charge in a 44 special case?
 
As I recall, the balloon head .44 Special cases held more powder than a .44 Mag. Could they be loaded hotter than a .44 Mag? Yes...but the safety margin would be iffy. John Taffin has an article on this in G&A mag, which discussed John Lachuk's .44 Lancer cartridge. Lachuk was using Colt Frontiers with a fair amount of custom mods and cut-down .405 Win brass toget to .44 Mag performance in the 1940s. Article at Before The .44 Magnum Part 2Guns Magazine.com | Guns Magazine.com

The article cites a balloon head .44 Special case as holding 36 gr. of 2400; the solid head .44 Mag as holding 35 gr. Personally, I wouldn't go there; I like my guns (and hands, etc.) in working condition :)
 
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44sp can be loaded to 44m pressures in the proper gun. 44sp cannot reach 44m velocities because of a smaller(less case capacity) case. 44sp factory load are always weak because ammo manufacturers don't know what vintage/strength gun it will be used in. a gun that's 44m will readily use hot 44sp loads. I'm currently setting up to load 44sp for my S&W 44M's,some will be plinking/target loads and some will be hot. Load data has drastically changed in the past 40 years for 44sp. Max loads are down from back then due to legal liability reasons.
 
Your m29 won't shoot the reloads I shot out of my super black hawk in 44 mag. The people near me left the range when they seen the flames. I learned my lesson really early in life. They never came back with hotdogs & burgers the flames were just right. Lmao.

Don't try this at home. When someone says hold my beer watch this, run forest run. Rugers are very freaking strong.
 
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The .44 Special is a fine cartridge but I would never consider loading it to .44 Magnum pressures or velocities in a model 24 or 624, certainly never in a 696. The .44 Special, when loaded with a good 250gr to 265 gr SWC at 900 to 1000 fps will do 90% of what needs to be done with a big bore handgun and it will do it in a lighter, more easily packed platform without the noise, recoil, and blast of it's more muscular big brother. The added velocity of the Magnum flattens trajectory, but the Special is more than capable of taking medium big game at typical handgun ranges.

My favorite load for the Special is the Skeeter load, a 250gr Keith SWC (Lyman 429421) over 7.5gr of Unique for 900 to 950 fps from a 4" barrel. If I need more bullet weight or velocity than this, I transition to the .44 Mag, or maybe the .45 Colt. An excellent treatise by Brian Pierce on loading the 44 Special can be found in Handloader Magazine #236, posted here for your convenience.

http://www.goodrichfamilyassoc.org/44_Special_Articles/Brian Pearce on the 44 Special.pdf

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As good as the cartridge is, there's also something intangible about shooting the .44 Special that may be hard to explain but easy to understand by those who dote on the cartridge. A return to a simpler time and in some small way, a connection to those great handgunners who came before...there really is something special about the .44 Special.

Roe
 
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The article cites a balloon head .44 Special case as holding 36 gr. of 2400; the solid head .44 Mag as holding 35 gr. Personally, I wouldn't go there; I like my guns (and hands, etc.) in working condition :)[/QUOTE]

You will note in the article that this statement mentioned that this was the capacity when filled to the mouth of the case. He was simply comparing the capacity. The actual load was quite a bit lower. I already tossed the magazine or I would note it. Still a stout load nonetheless.

I am kind of a sissy when it comes to recoil and favor moderate charges in both my .44 Special and .44 Magnum. Both are capable of what I need them to do.
 
I would never try hot loads especially in my 696 or the 3966 I just picked up. As mentioned pretty thin forcing cones. Plus in smaller L frame guns that were designed more as defense guns than anything else there is no need for higher velocities and heavier recoil would reduce recovery time.

The 44 mag was created by hot rodding large frame 44 specials and some where destroyed in the process. That,s why there are 44 mags, so 44 specials don't get destroyed.
 
Have a recent Ruger Bisley BH .44 Spl., 5.5". (The closest I'll ever get to a famous 'Elmer's #5 revolver').
Could I load it up to magnum whomper loads? Probably so. But I didn't get it for that.
I have a M629 6" that I hunt with some, and it handles magnum level loads with aplomb.
Hope to hunt with the Bisley some, I'm sure it will do fine.
 
thanks a lot guys, it looks like I'm not the only one who gets that magazine. Never would I do what was mentioned in that article, but it made interesting reading.Like someone said, theres something about the .44spc. That must have been a time when men were men, and men carried a .44spc. Thanks a lot guys!
 
Your last sentence is right, men carried 44 Specials. Not a 44 mag by another name.

Guns are replaceable, fingers not so much.

Several mentioned Skeeter loads, Keith style bullets and 900-950 FPS. Pretty much do any thing.

And Big Bill I once loaded a few boxes of very hot 45 Colt for my Ruger. I probably was thinking I was Elmer. Super hot, but I never flinched nor worried about the Ruger.
 
And while you may or may not know it the 44 special on this website has a following bordering almost to a cult following. For years I was scrounging once fired 44 special brass. Thought I'd never get one. That gallon bag of 44 special brass went to a friend who had bought one of the Ruger 44 specials that one of the big gun houses had commissioned. That revolver was put in regular production. After the bag of brass was gone I came upon a 6.5" bbld 624 almost new in the box with paperwork, tools and cleaning kit. And no brass. Couple months later walking past a dealers showcase I found a 3"bbld24-3 lew horton gun, and a few months later another 24-3 with the 4" barrel. and I haven't seen another since. Had to get some starline 44 special brass and a 3 die set to reload with. Gotta watch the the guys on this forum. They will enable you to death so you have to go out and get what you posted on this forum. welcome to the 44 special club. Frank
 
I was reading in one of my magazines that the .44 spc could be loaded hotter than factory .44 mag loads. For all you loaders out there, is this true? I just bought 2 .44 spc's, a M24 and a M696 after chasing a nice .44 spc for a while. For some reason, I really like this round, and it would be nice to know just how strong these rounds really are. Thanks

To summarize the excellent posts above:

You are asking two questions. Yes, you can load .44 Special hotter than factory .44 Magnum loads. It is not the "strength of the rounds" that is the concern, it is the safety factor in firing them in your 24-3 and 696. Any loads generating .44 Magnum pressures (or higher, given the smaller Special case) should be fired in...a .44 Magnum, properly constructed and heat-treated to withstand such stresses. So the second question, should you use them in your guns...I wouldn't.

Enjoy your new .44s! :)
 
I don't know why you would WANT to do that, even if it was ballistically and mechanically safe. The .44 Special revolvers have all been lighter, meaning built with less steel, than the .44 Magnum revolvers from the same gun makers. With the same loads fired in a Special and a Magnum, the Special will kick harder.

I read Skelton and Keith extensively when I started shooting in the early 1970's. A .44 Special field gun was high on my list. I got a Charter Arms Bulldog, but it wasn't a field gun.

I bought a new Model 28 Highway Patrolman and a new 4 inch .44 caliber S&W barrel from J&G Rifle Ranch, then in Turner, Montana, and had the best local gunsmith, the late Robert Ballard, build me a fake 1950 Target in .44 Special. A couple of years later, I got a new 7-1/2 inch Colt SAA in .44 Special. By then I also had a Model 29 .44 Mag with an 8-3/8 inch barrel and was casting my own bullets.

Like many curious (translated to 'inexperienced') Keith- and Skelton-reading handloaders of the day, I had to try out Keith's hot .44 Special load, 17.5 grains of 2400 under a cast Lyman 429421 cast SWC, sparked by a standard LP primer.

I had Pachmayr Compacs on the Bulldog, and Pachmayr Presentations on my ersatz 1950/Model 28. I fired one round of the Keith load in the Bulldog. It nearly embedded itself in my forehead and split the skin on the web of my hand. It retired to the shooting bag.

The ersatz 1950/Model 28 kicked really hard. I could smack the black at 25 yards single action, but double action was useless to me.

The Colt Single Action did more than it's normal "roll" upon each shot, it also tried to escape from my paws. It also kicked the hammer back, sometimes to half-cock, but a few times to full cock.

Being a virile, strong young working man, I hadn't expected this to be so unpleasant. I genuinely worried it might damage my guns. I had to knock all empties out one at a time with some force.

I finished off the 100 Keith rounds with the long Model 29. It was amazing how those extra ounces of steel in the long, heavy barrel mollified the recoil.

I think now, looking back, that the flash and muzzle blast may have served to really amplify the recoil sensation with the hot rounds. The blast from the 4 inch S&W actually knocked over the tripod my chronograph skyscreens were on. One round clocked from the 7-1/2 inch Colt just broke the 1,200 fps barrier.

Before the advent of the .44 Magnum guns and cartridges, there may have been some call to handload the .44 Special for extra poop, but the arrival of the Magnum cartridge eliminated it. I believe now, that if I need much over 900 fps from a 250-260 grain handgun bullet, I need to look for it in a Magnum. Skeeter's 7.5 grains of Unique, or it's equivalent, does it for me in the modern (post-WWII) .44 Special, while my First and Second Models will get .44 Special factory load equivalent, which is about 700 fps with a 246-250 grain lead bullet.

When I shoot Magnums now in my Model 629 Mountain gun, the experience takes me back 40 years! When I first shot them in my Model 329, I had flashbacks!

Thus began the pussification of BUFF. I should have turned in my man card.
 
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It's interesting to note that Elmer Keith was after essentially a factory-loaded +P .44 Special load and a revolver to handle it, something on the order of a 240 gr. bullet at 1000-1100 fps. What he got from Remington and S&W exceeded his desires substantially. He was delighted with the Magnum, and immediately claimed to have "invented" it -- but it ain't so. Even Elmer wouldn't have been comfortable with Magnum-level loads in his .44 Special.
 
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