.44 SPL defensive load..
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and ordered 200 rounds of the Win. Silvertips.
Could you please enlighten me about these new laws? I haven't heard anything about it yet.
Thanks.
It is California Assembly Bill 962. There's a lot to it but, roughly speaking, the jist of it is that there will be NO internet sales/shipping to California residents Of HANDGUN AMMO. As of 2/1/2011.
AND....
You cannot purchase more than 50 rounds of handgun ammo PER MONTH over the counter. Face-To-Face transactions only, with ID required.
Now there is the ambiguity of, what is handgun ammo?
It's very badly crafted in this aspect. Some think that it will be killed but, right now it's a GO for 2/1/2011.
There are certainly rifle calibers that are used in specialty hanguns, IE; Thompson Contender guns.
There's lots of lever guns that shoot pistol calibers.
This is where some large outfits have gotten scared and said already, that they will not ship ANY ammo to Ca. commencing February 1st. 2011.
Calguns.net is a good place that has tons of info on this. Here is just one thread;
962 Questions - Calguns.net
And another..
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=290652
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If I lived in California and those laws were about to go into effect, the first things I'd think about doing are:
1. Moving the hell out of that state.
2. Getting into reloading.
3. Buying a lifetime supply of ammo--now.
Only option one is viable, because they can take away #2 and #3 any time they want.
1. Moving the hell out of that state.
2. Getting into reloading.
3. Buying a lifetime supply of ammo--now.
Only option one is viable, because they can take away #2 and #3 any time they want.
Thanks Mod27.... Wheeew! am I glad I live all the way over here on the other coast.
But, seriously...we who are not Cal. residents cannot just go skipping merrily down the lane, happy as clams because this doesn't affect us. We have to do what ever we can to prevent this from happening in Cal., because if they're successful at passing this law there...then it will only be a matter of time before they'll be trying it in ours.
But, seriously...we who are not Cal. residents cannot just go skipping merrily down the lane, happy as clams because this doesn't affect us. We have to do what ever we can to prevent this from happening in Cal., because if they're successful at passing this law there...then it will only be a matter of time before they'll be trying it in ours.
LOL, I just retired in Feb. to my dream home in the mountains Soooo, #3 is my only option which I'm working on right now!
The good news is that, one could still drive to another state, buy their ammo in bulk, and bring it back into the state without violating the law. Ridiculous, isn't it? Another badly crafted, inane gun-related Ca. law. For someone like myself, who can be in Nevada in 40 minutes, that can work out.
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There are alot of good folks out here who are trying very hard to get some of the stupid, inane laws in Ca. reversed.
This state legislature has been slowly, grain by grain, chipping away at our rights. They are making it more and more of a PITA to have anything to do with firearms- with the obvious goal of making Ca. the first "gun-free" state.
Heck, even if it's not for practice why not stock up? There's no worrying about shortages and being from the same lot, once reliability is established there should be no "surprises". I found a very good deal several years ago on Remington .357 125 gr. SJHPs and bought a case of 500. I use that load in four of my guns and still have 350 + rounds left.
Someone on this forum once said it quite nicely, "Buy it cheap and stack it deep".
You should replace your carry ammo from time to time. Why not have a bunch so you don't have to worry about where it will come from in the future. A buddy and I decided on 155gr HST's as carry ammo in our .40s. Ammoman had a deal which amounted to $15/50 if we bought 1000 rounds. So, I haven't had to buy duty ammo in a couple of years and won't have to for several more.
Mule88
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I use the Speer Gold Dot 200 Gn. very accurate.
Mule88
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Fancy bullets at supersonic velocities are fine for their intended use (whatever that is)...... handgun Hunting . As far as defensive loads the Blazer 200 gn GD is a great defensive load and very accurate.
oldRoger
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I suggest looking at Buffalo Bore Heavy 44 Special Pistol & Handgun Ammunition They have heavy 44 spl and low recoil 44 magnum, including the Keith 255 gr at 1000 fps (44 spl).
I carry the Keith BB load in my 696. Serious stuff for man or beast.
I carry the Keith BB load in my 696. Serious stuff for man or beast.
There's a wider choice of factory ammunition available today than ever before. They may not make exactly what any particular customer wants, but they certainly seem to cater to customer demand.
f8 crusader
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I am not a lawer or a police officer but I read something that a fellow board member said about the legalities and liabilities of using reloaded ammunition for defensive purposes, I carry concealed and I also reload, I practice a lot with reloads but I use factory ammo when I pack concealed, I use Hansen 180gr JHP ammo on my smith 4 inch model 29, it may not be a good combination but it works for me, I bought 1500 rounds of it and it gives me the opportunity to stay proficient.
I wouldn't all prey to the FBI shooting hype either. If it failed 9/10 times, that's one thing. Because it failed in one instance?
As I recall, the BG died ... but it didn't "drop him instantly," so it's a bad round. (?) How many others have been shot by any other round and didn't die instantly? There's something to ponder. Many have no "real world" record to even prove actual effectiveness.
As I recall, the BG died ... but it didn't "drop him instantly," so it's a bad round. (?) How many others have been shot by any other round and didn't die instantly? There's something to ponder. Many have no "real world" record to even prove actual effectiveness.
I believe Mas Ayoob has mentioned this before as well if memory serves correctly. I still don't understand what difference it makes if a BG is shot with GDHP from Speer or from me? I guess I've missed something. If it came down to it, forensics is not going to look at my case and primer but the bullet so, how's he to tell the difference? I think it's stupid.
It's a moot point. What matters is whether you were justified in shooting, not what you used to shoot the bad guy with.
Using a reload does not change you from a good guy to a bad one. Only the circumstances of the incident can do that.
Using a reload does not change you from a good guy to a bad one. Only the circumstances of the incident can do that.
JeffHolt
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CCI
We tested the gold dot loaded in aluminum cases. Worked great...
YouTube - 44 Special - CCI Blazer 200 Gr. Gold Dot - Ammo Test
Andre'
We tested the gold dot loaded in aluminum cases. Worked great...
YouTube - 44 Special - CCI Blazer 200 Gr. Gold Dot - Ammo Test
Andre'
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