4th Model Safety Hammerless

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Hi guys, I'm new here and was hoping to find a little information on the above pistol. I identified it by the S/N (185XXX) as a 4th Model. My Pop gave it to me many years ago as a project. I am blessed as being a guy that has relatives who will send me broken guns to fix up. Then I get to keep them. I recently retired and finally have time to catch up on things. I got this one put together and seems to be functioning fine, but with one little catch- the cylinder freewheels after the trigger is released. When the trigger is pulled, it locks up solid. Is this normal for this model? If I rotate the cylinder out of alignment by hand and then pull the trigger, it indexes and locks up properly again. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks.
 
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Deacon, "Is this normal for this model?" Short answer: NO. The cylinder should not freewheel. Your description of events has me baffled though as the cylinder stop is hammer actuated. Releasing the trigger should have no effect on lockup. Is everything lubed and the trigger resets completely forward in the t-guard? With the barrel and cylinder open, watch the cylinder stop. Does it drop out of the window in the frame when the trigger is released or is it just too low to catch the lock slot on the cylinder?
 
Welcome to the Forum. The 38 Safety, 4th Model was made only from 1898 to 1907. Almost all were made after 1898, making them "modern" guns as defined by the BATF. Guns above serial #119,900 are subject to all the same regulations as a new one you might have purchased yesterday.

As for the "When the trigger is pulled, it locks up solid", I am not sure what that means? When I say the action locks up solid, to me that means it is working perfectly without any play. Check to make sure the cylinder stop freely pops up when pushed into the frame with your finger.
One thing to try is to remove the cylinder and pull the trigger slowly to see how the cylinder stop in the bottom frame and the hand interact. When at rest, the stop should prevent the cylinder from spinning. If that is not the case, the stop might be badly worn, tampered with, or is sticky/dirty and not freely returning from cycling. Next watch the hand in the rear of the frame that advances the cylinder. When the trigger is pulled through its cycle and held back, both the stop and cylinder should be visible. Neither part should move when the trigger is held back after the trigger is pulled.

Testing this way really helps with being able to see the parts working easily, but in order to perform the test without the cylinder dry fires the gun. I do not make a habit of this, but never had any problems with the firing pin. You can cut a hardwood dowel and fit it over the firing pin hole and have it rest on the rear of the barrel, taped to the top frame if worried about the pin.

I should add that to remove the cylinder, you need to hold the top frame latch up and pull and unscrew the cylinder. The latch acts as the stop for the cylinder's rearward travel, so important to keep the latch up until the cylinder is gone from the quill.
 
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Upon further examination, I see that the stop doesn't "lock up", as the cylinder is not in alignment. It pushes hard against the cylinder and snaps into place when rotated by hand. When the trigger is released, the stop drops below the surface. I think this is probably the issue. I'll strip it down again and check for wear on the stop and the hand, as it seems like it might be a good idea. See how it goes. I appreciate the help. Revolvers are NOT my forte. I'll let you know how things go.
 
Check the spring that holds the hand forward. I should be attached to the rear of the hand.

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"When the trigger is released, the stop drops below the surface." Be sure to check that the cylinder stop, #450 in Gary's nice, exploded view, is under the end of the spring, #454.
 
"When the trigger is released, the stop drops below the surface." Be sure to check that the cylinder stop, #450 in Gary's nice, exploded view, is under the end of the spring, #454.

THANK YOU that was the last piece of my Safety Hammerless puzzle 🙏🏻
 
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