5906 "Super 9" Information

[gerrit2004]

super 9 !!!

I have a S&W super 9 with number MSF6849. is there any extrainformation about this toy ??

 

[skjos]

No extra information other than it looks like you have the 12th one in the primary serial number range. If you have a picture with the serial number, I could add it to the original post; it would be the lowest serial number that I have observed.

Thanks

 

[Lewieke]

Hello. It took a while before I got all permits to get the weapons I purchased. Local and federal law enforcement had some concerns about my requests but finally I passed all checks with all officials. I actually got the permits 3 days after the Paris attacks, which is some 250 kms away from here. Today my order got delivered. A Norinco 311-1 (Chinese M4 clone, pretty rare here) and my S&W Super9, complete package, 3 barrels, original case, 2 magazines. I posted a picture of the set earlier (with hidden serialnumber).

Due to arms control regulations, the serial number of the pistol will have to be engraved in the barrels. This will forever link the barrels to this particular pistol.

The serial number is MSF8823.

The arms dealer told me there's a similar one he sold in the Bruges area.

@skjos

 

[Sevens]

Well, it is absolutely gorgeous. Very happy for you.

I keep thinking that one day I will stroll across a Super 9, but it hasn't happened yet. I would sure love it if we could raid the Smith & Wesson production records and get 100% accurate information of exactly what and how many of each of these different fantastic guns were built.

Thanks for sharing your picture! I could look at it all day.

 

[skjos]

Lewieke, I'm glad you finally received your Super 9 and thanks for sharing the awesome pictures. I have included the new information into the original post.

Is the product code on the original case 108099 or is it something different?

 

[Lewieke]

The product code on the box is damaged and unreadable. Unfortunately. It may as well be a box belonging to another type of pistol. Hard to say.

 

[Lewieke]

Hello guys,

I urgently need your help. As you read, I received my super 9 model with 2 exchange barrels. 9x19, 9x21 and 356TSW.

We have a gun controle agency here and they want to test the 356TSW but there is no ammo available on the market. I have found some shells though BUT in order to get it approved I would need the OFFICIAL recharging tables for powder. I'm not into reloading but I presume they mean the specific data sheet for powder for 356TSW. Who can help me (with as many data sheets as possible to increase my chances) to find the data sheets for a common powder type!!

I have found some dealers who are offering some Super 9 at really low prices. With your permission, I'll post the link here. If not, I'm sorry, in that case you can delete it.

Pistolen

wapenwinkel - Wapenhandel Den Haag

 

[vigil617]

When you say "shells," do you mean the empty brass casings that could be reloaded?

If the "official" data is not available, could you obtain ammo instead (perhaps by purchasing it from here in the U.S. and having it shipped to you) to satisfy the authorities there?

Sites like GunBroker offer this ammo from time to time, and I am sure that there are probably members here who would be happy to help you get the ammo you need from their own stocks. I got out of the caliber last year, unfortunately (and not willingly); otherwise, I would be happy to send you some myself.

By the way, 850 euros is about $930 -- a good price indeed for a Super 9 with the 9x19 barrel. The other site did not show a price but does show the three barrels with the gun.

 

[Lewieke]

I do indeed mean the empty brass casings that can be reloaded. I have found 100 pieces of these in Germany. In order to satisfy authorities, I would indeed need official reloading data supplied by a powder manufacturer.

Another solution would be to supply them with 3 pieces (only!) and an original (cardboard) box to prove they're factory ammo. It might not be very cost efficient to get them shipped to Europe. I would need an exporting license, an importing license and courrier service. Moreover it would have to be amo without HP since that's forbidden for civilians in Belgium. There is no easy way to do this I'm afraid. Getting the reloading data would be the simplest and cheapest solution.

By the way, the serialnumber on the weapon for sale is MSF 8808

 

[skjos]

I'm not sure if this will help or not, but the "Cartridges of the World" book points to two sources of data, maybe you can get something official from there. See attachment.

 

[skjos]

By the way, the serialnumber on the weapon for sale is MSF 8808

I will have to add MSF8808 to the original post, thanks for the heads up.

 

[Lewieke]

This may actually be the solution for my problem. It refers to the IPSC reloading list and another source. This sounds good enough to me. I'll keep you informed.

By the way, anyone interested in this model Super9 which I found in Holland? I may be of assistance if you'd be interested.

 

[Lewieke]

By the way, the other one which was sold already has sn MSF 8819

Recently I saw a few of these guns sold through Dutch importers in the Netherlands. They all seem to have serial numbers starting with MSF 88.. It looks like some US government agency replaced its pistols.

 

[BEEMER1]

Did anyone happen to see this auction. Makes me think about selling mine.


Rare Smith & Wesson SUPER 9, 3 barrel model : Semi Auto Pistols at GunBroker.com

 

[505Gibbs]

I saw that one as well!
If you follow GB - not always do similar items do as well - just my opinion.
If you sell - OBVIOUSLY - set a reserve you're happy with.

 

[Sevens]

If you sell - OBVIOUSLY - set a reserve you're happy with.

Oh, I don't know about that. I believe that part of what generates the wild interest at GB is $1 open and no reserve.

To the above...
Oh yeah, I saw that one.
That may very well be a "high water mark" for the Super 9. I certainly don't want to say anything negative about the extremely -COOL- and fantastic looking pistol that the Super 9 sure is, but some things come to mind and none of them play well to an audience.

 

[b_san]

That may very well be a "high water mark" for the Super 9.

Or maybe not since this was posted back on 07-11-2015 in this same thread...

Obtaining a Super 9 at a price equal to $500 American is an outrageously good deal. One of these with the three barrels sold over here at auction not long ago for almost $3,000!

 

[Sevens]

Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that!

 

[R. G. Amos]

For what it's worth, I bought two of these in Jan 2003.

1) Serial No MSF6959 for 700$.
I got this one from GunsAmerica or GunBroker; I do not remember which.

2) Serial No MSF6894 for 830$
I had a local dealer order this one from Smith &Wesson.

Both of these came in the Blue box with three barrels. I do not think they were sold as Performance Center guns.

I understand that the later ones came only with the 9mm barrel.

About the same time I bought several 1000-rnd cases of Federal 356TSW ammo from CDNN for slightly less than 100$/case.

 

[Lewieke]

Finally got my 356TSW barrel approved

Dear friends gunlovers,

You won't believe the trouble I went through for getting my S&W Super 9 approved. Guns regulations in Europe are ridiculously strict. I got the barrels 9x19 and 9x21 approved easily. The trouble was with the 356 TSW. The amo at the official 'testing agency' was destroyed end of the 90's. The result is the barrel could not be tested. This meaning I could not get an approval.

The officials threatened to withdraw my licenses. It took me literally hours to explain to them that this 356 TSW was the least harmless barrel since there's no ammo available in Europe. They wanted to cut my barrel in half!

Finally I found 100 empty shells in northern Germany. They cost something close to the price of pure gold. I got them by special courier service.

After that I had to get all the ammunitions calculations. None of the manufacturers were willing to give the info. So I approached a ballistics lab to make all the calculations.

After that I had to make a deal with the guy at the lab of the 'approval agency'. Fortunately I'm fluent in French and after some 20-30 telephone calls we got to know each other and this guy was willing to help me.

Finally all docs I submitted were accepted. And my barrel got approved. I'll get my hardware back somewhere next week. I'm really looking forward to testing it ... .

Right now I'm looking into another thrilling project. A Sphinx grand master. Which I'll be able to buy at 1/3 of the new price. It has fired only 500 shots so far. Testing next Saturday... .

I'd love to get some of that 356TSW amo to shoot it. I'm afraid I'll have to manufacture it myself.
Should anyone would have to go through a similar process and have to manufacture his own ammo for an official approval, I'd be willing to share this information. This might be of particular interest for people inside Europe.

 

[lhump1961]

Most shooters of the 356TSW load their own due to scarcity of ammo. Great gun and glad you got it through.

 

[skjos]

That sounds like a lot of good work on your part to get the barrel approved through a rather complex system. Dutch, English, and French; that is quite a multi-lingual resume, I can only claim English and GD&T.

I just searched for the "Sphinx Grand Master", looks like an impressive setup. I think you should have a Super 9 vs Sphinx shootout and post your results.

 

[colt_saa]

Most shooters of the 356TSW load their own due to scarcity of ammo. Great gun and glad you got it through.

The scarcity of ammunition is not the hard part, it is the scarcity of brass.

Obviously you can cut 9x23 Winchester, but I like correctly headstamped brass and right now 9x23 Winchester is too rare to sacrifice. Besides I shoot 9x23

 

[s537]

Can the brass be shipped to Europe from the States?

 

[Lewieke]

brass

I guess brass (without powder or primers) would not be subject to special controls. Although the receiver would need an arms permit I guess. @s537

 

[skjos]

Digging through the information on the following website:

Collectors Firearms Archives - Home

Which I was made aware of in this thread: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...507771-pc-845-limited-2-variations-three.html

I stumbled across another Performance Center Super 9 - it appears to be a factory demo and I added the new information to the bottom of the original post.

 

[dotdsd334]

Just adding my new addition to the thread. Thanks for all the great info here!

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[BRatliff]

Very nice Dan, congrats, great score.

Bob

 

[Omnivore]

Hi Everyone

I spotted Super 9 MSF8522 a while ago and was lucky enough to purchase it. It's one of the Wischo units and has the 3 barrels and factory case.

It's a beautiful piece.

Cheers,
Scott.

 

[skjos]

Hi Everyone

I spotted Super 9 MSF8522 a while ago and was lucky enough to purchase it. It's one of the Wischo units and has the 3 barrels and factory case.

It's a beautiful piece.

Cheers,
Scott.

MSF8522 would be a new serial number range for the Super 9; if you have any pictures to share, I would love to add them to the original post.