5906 "Super 9" Information
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Lewieke
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This may actually be the solution for my problem. It refers to the IPSC reloading list and another source. This sounds good enough to me. I'll keep you informed.
By the way, anyone interested in this model Super9 which I found in Holland? I may be of assistance if you'd be interested.
By the way, anyone interested in this model Super9 which I found in Holland? I may be of assistance if you'd be interested.
Lewieke
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By the way, the other one which was sold already has sn MSF 8819
Recently I saw a few of these guns sold through Dutch importers in the Netherlands. They all seem to have serial numbers starting with MSF 88.. It looks like some US government agency replaced its pistols.
Recently I saw a few of these guns sold through Dutch importers in the Netherlands. They all seem to have serial numbers starting with MSF 88.. It looks like some US government agency replaced its pistols.
Did anyone happen to see this auction. Makes me think about selling mine.
Rare Smith & Wesson SUPER 9, 3 barrel model : Semi Auto Pistols at GunBroker.com
Rare Smith & Wesson SUPER 9, 3 barrel model : Semi Auto Pistols at GunBroker.com
I saw that one as well!
If you follow GB - not always do similar items do as well - just my opinion.
If you sell - OBVIOUSLY - set a reserve you're happy with.
If you follow GB - not always do similar items do as well - just my opinion.
If you sell - OBVIOUSLY - set a reserve you're happy with.
Oh, I don't know about that. I believe that part of what generates the wild interest at GB is $1 open and no reserve.
To the above...
Oh yeah, I saw that one.
That may very well be a "high water mark" for the Super 9. I certainly don't want to say anything negative about the extremely -COOL- and fantastic looking pistol that the Super 9 sure is, but some things come to mind and none of them play well to an audience.
Or maybe not since this was posted back on 07-11-2015 in this same thread...
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For what it's worth, I bought two of these in Jan 2003.
1) Serial No MSF6959 for 700$.
I got this one from GunsAmerica or GunBroker; I do not remember which.
2) Serial No MSF6894 for 830$
I had a local dealer order this one from Smith &Wesson.
Both of these came in the Blue box with three barrels. I do not think they were sold as Performance Center guns.
I understand that the later ones came only with the 9mm barrel.
About the same time I bought several 1000-rnd cases of Federal 356TSW ammo from CDNN for slightly less than 100$/case.
1) Serial No MSF6959 for 700$.
I got this one from GunsAmerica or GunBroker; I do not remember which.
2) Serial No MSF6894 for 830$
I had a local dealer order this one from Smith &Wesson.
Both of these came in the Blue box with three barrels. I do not think they were sold as Performance Center guns.
I understand that the later ones came only with the 9mm barrel.
About the same time I bought several 1000-rnd cases of Federal 356TSW ammo from CDNN for slightly less than 100$/case.
Lewieke
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Finally got my 356TSW barrel approved
Dear friends gunlovers,
You won't believe the trouble I went through for getting my S&W Super 9 approved. Guns regulations in Europe are ridiculously strict. I got the barrels 9x19 and 9x21 approved easily. The trouble was with the 356 TSW. The amo at the official 'testing agency' was destroyed end of the 90's. The result is the barrel could not be tested. This meaning I could not get an approval.
The officials threatened to withdraw my licenses. It took me literally hours to explain to them that this 356 TSW was the least harmless barrel since there's no ammo available in Europe. They wanted to cut my barrel in half!
Finally I found 100 empty shells in northern Germany. They cost something close to the price of pure gold. I got them by special courier service.
After that I had to get all the ammunitions calculations. None of the manufacturers were willing to give the info. So I approached a ballistics lab to make all the calculations.
After that I had to make a deal with the guy at the lab of the 'approval agency'. Fortunately I'm fluent in French and after some 20-30 telephone calls we got to know each other and this guy was willing to help me.
Finally all docs I submitted were accepted. And my barrel got approved. I'll get my hardware back somewhere next week. I'm really looking forward to testing it ... .
Right now I'm looking into another thrilling project. A Sphinx grand master. Which I'll be able to buy at 1/3 of the new price. It has fired only 500 shots so far. Testing next Saturday... .
I'd love to get some of that 356TSW amo to shoot it. I'm afraid I'll have to manufacture it myself.
Should anyone would have to go through a similar process and have to manufacture his own ammo for an official approval, I'd be willing to share this information. This might be of particular interest for people inside Europe.
Dear friends gunlovers,
You won't believe the trouble I went through for getting my S&W Super 9 approved. Guns regulations in Europe are ridiculously strict. I got the barrels 9x19 and 9x21 approved easily. The trouble was with the 356 TSW. The amo at the official 'testing agency' was destroyed end of the 90's. The result is the barrel could not be tested. This meaning I could not get an approval.
The officials threatened to withdraw my licenses. It took me literally hours to explain to them that this 356 TSW was the least harmless barrel since there's no ammo available in Europe. They wanted to cut my barrel in half!
Finally I found 100 empty shells in northern Germany. They cost something close to the price of pure gold. I got them by special courier service.
After that I had to get all the ammunitions calculations. None of the manufacturers were willing to give the info. So I approached a ballistics lab to make all the calculations.
After that I had to make a deal with the guy at the lab of the 'approval agency'. Fortunately I'm fluent in French and after some 20-30 telephone calls we got to know each other and this guy was willing to help me.
Finally all docs I submitted were accepted. And my barrel got approved. I'll get my hardware back somewhere next week. I'm really looking forward to testing it ... .
Right now I'm looking into another thrilling project. A Sphinx grand master. Which I'll be able to buy at 1/3 of the new price. It has fired only 500 shots so far. Testing next Saturday... .
I'd love to get some of that 356TSW amo to shoot it. I'm afraid I'll have to manufacture it myself.
Should anyone would have to go through a similar process and have to manufacture his own ammo for an official approval, I'd be willing to share this information. This might be of particular interest for people inside Europe.
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lhump1961
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Most shooters of the 356TSW load their own due to scarcity of ammo. Great gun and glad you got it through.
That sounds like a lot of good work on your part to get the barrel approved through a rather complex system. Dutch, English, and French; that is quite a multi-lingual resume, I can only claim English and GD&T.
I just searched for the "Sphinx Grand Master", looks like an impressive setup. I think you should have a Super 9 vs Sphinx shootout and post your results.
I just searched for the "Sphinx Grand Master", looks like an impressive setup. I think you should have a Super 9 vs Sphinx shootout and post your results.
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The scarcity of ammunition is not the hard part, it is the scarcity of brass.
Obviously you can cut 9x23 Winchester, but I like correctly headstamped brass and right now 9x23 Winchester is too rare to sacrifice. Besides I shoot 9x23
Lewieke
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brass
I guess brass (without powder or primers) would not be subject to special controls. Although the receiver would need an arms permit I guess. @s537
I guess brass (without powder or primers) would not be subject to special controls. Although the receiver would need an arms permit I guess. @s537
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Digging through the information on the following website:
Collectors Firearms Archives - Home
Which I was made aware of in this thread: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...507771-pc-845-limited-2-variations-three.html
I stumbled across another Performance Center Super 9 - it appears to be a factory demo and I added the new information to the bottom of the original post.
Collectors Firearms Archives - Home
Which I was made aware of in this thread: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...507771-pc-845-limited-2-variations-three.html
I stumbled across another Performance Center Super 9 - it appears to be a factory demo and I added the new information to the bottom of the original post.
dotdsd334
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Just adding my new addition to the thread. Thanks for all the great info here!
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BRatliff
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Very nice Dan, congrats, great score.
Bob
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