645 vs 4506, which one?

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I am thinking about buying either a 645 or 4506. First, what are the basic difference and second, any thoughts on which is "better". I primarily shoot in local, friendly matches. No trophies, just fun but crafted in IDPA style. I like the replaceable grips on the 645. I much prefer wood to the plastic. Thanks tor your thoughts.
 
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My vote is for the 645. I think it's built like a tank. It will pretty much feed any .45 ammo, and will hand cycle empty cases. A robust accurate pistol in my books.

 
The 645 I have is a tack driver.

Like the other poster said a 645 is a tank which means if you are going to use it as a CCW which I do on occaision be ready for the weight. It is a singe stack 45 acp that is similar to a 1911 in form factor. But it is way different in many other ways.

It is a DA/SA double action then single action after the first shot or you can cock it for single action first shot. It has a decocker which is a very handy item for safety. It also is disabled when the mag is out. This is a nice feature that some hate but if you get your weapon grabbed and are afraid of loosing control of it then you can drop the mag as you scuffle with the attacker and if they succeed in gaining control of your weapon the chambered round will not fire at you. The down side is the trigger is disabled while changing mags. No biggie in my opinion.

A down side to the 645 is that you will have a hard time finding holsters for it. I am not saying they can't be had but you will have to look around. Galco offers a Yaqui style holster that is appropriate for most use.

If you are looking to compete with this weapon then it is a fine choice. For CCW maybe, but there are better choices.

As to the 4506 there is little difference other than the trigger guards which the 4506 comes in both styles hooked on the front of the guard or rounded guard. I can't tell you too much about the 4506 but it's S&W and they don't usually make a bad firearm. I think the most of the difference between the 4506 and the 645 is probably the magazine trigger disabling which was not received as well by the civilian shooters. Police loved it.

What I like most about my 645 is that I can chamber a round and decock it shove it in my holster with confidence. My XD sits in my holster with a cocked striker and there are only little pins keeping it from going bang. With the 645 with the manual safety on you can put it in a vise and bang it with a sledge hammer and it won't go off. But a simple flick of the safety and you can double action it into use or cock the hammer for an single action trigger pull. Almost as fast as cocked and locked. BTW I have put close to 5000 rounds conservatively through mine and ten years of flawless performance.
 
Favor the 645 for the greater crafting look to it, otherwise they probably same performance no?
 
I would pick the 645.

They are getting hard to come by. I have a 4566 which is the same as a 4506 except that it is 4.25" instead of 5.0". And I love this gun. You will be well served be either one. But I would go with the 645.
 
.....My vote is for the...4506. I think it's built like a tank. It will pretty much feed any .45 ammo, and will hand cycle empty cases. A robust accurate pistol in my books.

Either one will be a great pistol. I have never owned a 645 but would do so in a heartbeat if an affordable one came along. The holster thing is an issue but can be solved with some looking or a custom model.
 
The 645 has better looking grips, and that's about it. I own a 4506 carried it for 12 years. Round chambered hammer down safety off. A point-N-shoot .45. My favorite gun in the world bar none.
I also have a 469, so the second generation of S&W is fine by me as well.
 
My choice would be the 645. I have owned and shot numerous 4506 and 4506-1 and I just seem to shoot the 645 better. I definitely like the trigger better. I use two holsters for this gun, one is a belt slide Galco Combat Master 292. Fits like a glove, thought the muzzle will poke out about a half an inch. My IWB is a Bianchi No. 3s. It is made for the Beretta 92/96, but again fits the 645 like a glove. Most holsters made for the Beretta 92/96 frame will work just fine with the 645.
 
I tend to carry my sig 220 more, its lighter. The smith is my baby,it is a tank absolutely reliable. Sig is too,only time it jammed was an extended period of neglect on my part.
 
Carried them both as duty guns years ago. I don't know that I could call a preference for one over the other. Both shot very well, fed anything and were just all-around dependable. I still have a 4566. I may have to get another 645 or 4506, as well as another 4516 to round out the herd. I like them all.
 
I own several of the 645's and the 4506's in varying ages/configurations and sight setups. I can tell you that neither model has ever jammed, and in my humble opinion the 645 is just a tack driver. If I had to have one weapon and get dropped on an island full of hostile critters it would be the 645. This weapon just glides through rounds and never ever jams or stovepipes. On another level, feeling a giant piece of steel in your hands is comforting in a world of plastic. But both are fine guns sir.
 
Have both; 645 and 4506, 645 is better looking with cocobolo grips but equally accurate and reliable. Both bought well used and did have an issue with the 4506. Did not extract every time, had the chipped extractor replaced and no problem since. Yes either will feed empty brass. Make yourself happy buy both. Jim.
 
Have both; 645 and 4506, 645 is better looking with cocobolo grips but equally accurate and reliable. Both bought well used and did have an issue with the 4506. Did not extract every time, had the chipped extractor replaced and no problem since. Yes either will feed empty brass. Make yourself happy buy both. Jim .
Yes,4506 can feed empty brass. Just finished range trip here in Bangkok, my 4506 fed empty brass two times. The first occured just to proof my curiosity wheter or not 4506 can compete with 645 on this empty brass shooting competition. The second instance was record by my son,so in the near future( after he finished his other jobs) we will post it in this forum.
 
You are in Thailand, sir? I would love to see your son's video.

Richard
 
[…] First, what are the basic difference […] I primarily shoot in local, friendly matches. […] crafted in IDPA style. […] I much prefer wood to the plastic. […]

First, the basic difference is the frame back strap, or lack there of. Ignoring fitting individual slides to frames, both frames use the same slide. Also ignoring variation between individual pistols, 645s and 4506s have the same trigger pull. Both pistols use the same internal parts linking your finger to the hammer, except for their sear springs which seat against the different back straps. The 645 retained a traditional metal mainspring housing/back strap. A 4506 main spring's bottom seats in a blind hole in the back of its stock (or grip). In 3rd generation construction the rear of the grip frame was shortened and the mainspring housing eliminated reducing trigger reach. The shorter trigger reach provides better leverage during the DA pull. IMO, the basic difference comes down to choosing between a 4506 that's easier to shoot accurately DA or the better looking traditional 645 frame.

The 645s traditional appearance is enhanced by wood stocks but remains compromised by the its ugly trigger guard. The 4506's trigger guard changed to oval shortly after they were introduced.

One nifty 645 feature was lost in the 4506, its S&W revolver red ramp front sight. 4506s have modern 3 white dot sights. Depending on your eye sight, the lighting at your range and whether you local matches include low light stages, the difference in sights could make the biggest difference in your scores. Although if they haven't been relamped they'd have burnt out by now both fixed and adjustable sighted 4506s were some times factory equipped with tritium night sights. If you need to add them night sights are more readily available for 4506s. Also, unlike 645s, different heights of front sights are still available from S&W to sight in fixed sight 4506s.

Additionally the 645 had a minor flaw you should look out for when purchasing one. If lock tight wasn't used the manual safety lever retaining screws backed out. It's common to see 645s for sale that have lost one safety lever. S&W refuses to sell replacements. They want those 645s returned to have their safety barrel assemblies replaced with 4506 type assemblies at a cost of over $100.

So far I'm the only poster leading you toward a 4506. I think it's the most practical choice, but I own two 645s and only one 4506. In fact I recently purchased 645 checkered walnut from Nyteman 44 because like you I prefer the look and feel of wood over plastic. I hope this reply helps you make your choice. I don't have to decide. I'm not selling my 4506 or 645s in my lifetime.
 
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