696 Happy?

I have a question for CH4 in post #4. You make it sound like it is common for the 696 to have a cracked forcing cone. I have NEVER heard of a 696 with a cracked forcing cone. If you have some first hand information about that happening I would love to hear about it, better yet I'd love to see pictures of it.

On this forum years ago a gentleman from Alaska commented on his plan to use Keith 44 special loads in his newly acquired 696. He was warned, but proceeded anyway. He reported he cracked his forcing cone. Not a common occurrence, but the 696's forcing cone is not up to those type of heavy loads. Not a common experience imo.

More recently (am old could have been a decade ago) a gunwriter for handloader wrote up a comprehensive article for handloading 44 special. He put the 696 into the heavy load capable category due to some pressure testing. He later revised that,dropping the 696 from the heavy load capable category, after consultation with S&W. Pressure testing is not equivalent to force testing.

The 696 is a great revolver, which puts 45 acp power into a compact revolver. Use mine with 200 gn loads at moderate velocity's. Like 900 fps for 200 gd, 1050 fps with 180 jhp and 800 fps with 200 lrnfp. It likely can withstand a little more, but am not pushing it. Bought 3 of them before they got popular for about $350 apiece. Have 2 left.

Yes you can now get a 44 mag in a L-frame, and it has a considerably strengthened forcing cone.
 
Heavy Metal

I am a big fan of 44S&W Special. Several years ago I
had an opportunity to buy the S&W Mdl 696-1 44Spl.
I have.

Use to my "N" frame revolvers, upon inspection of this
"L" frame I was impressed by its size, heft, and big bore.

Also found out that it was a "Safe Queen", only factory
3 chambers fired, and all the Accruements in a S&W blue
plastic box. That got me, and bought for just under $700.

I only shoot 240gr Round Nose Flat Point lead bullets,
standard pressure reloads going about 760fps.

I must warn you that it is a Heavy revolver. If I could
Trade mine straight up for a nice 41Rem Mag Mountain
Gun it would be gone.

The Best to you and your Endeavors next Monday.
 

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Does this answer your question about how I feel about 5-shot .44 Specials?

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I also have both a Pug and a Target Charter Arms.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
Does this answer your question about how I feel about 5-shot .44 Specials?

96-series.jpg


I also have both a Pug and a Target Charter Arms.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

Nice collection!

I just traded my 296 to my buddy for his Ruger #1 30-30 package, without ever shooting it. Oh well, I know where it's at if I ever get the urge. :)
 
I love these 696 (no dash), compact 44 Specials! Sold one on left to my friend, & kept the one on the right displaying the beautiful Culina (cocobolo) combats. It has the original box, papers, & Goodyears:D.






Its about time I had a another pleasant conversation with the Culinas, thanks for the pics of your excellent stocks.
 
I traded a .357 Mtn Gun for my 696 no dash with box etc. I was never going to sell it because I love the .44 Special. I was offered a trade for a 5" 27-2 NIB so I did the trade. Wish I had it back!

NEVER TRADE!.......Just buy! I have all 3 of the guns you mention. You'll always regret getting rid of a "good un". Go hungry. Work overtime. Sell something else. But never let go of a good S&W.
 
Make sure you really inspect the forcing cone for cracks, that's the 696's Achilles heel.

I have NEVER heard of a 696 with a cracked forcing cone. If you have some first hand information about that...

More recently (am old could have been a decade ago) a gunwriter for handloader wrote up a comprehensive article for handloading 44 special. He put the 696 into the heavy load capable category due to some pressure testing. He later revised that,dropping the 696 from the heavy load capable category, after consultation with S&W.
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The 696 revolver family had the same forcing cone issue that the original M19/66 revolvers had. It's common knowledge.

Handloader Magazine/Brian Pearce is who zeke is referring to.

In Handloader #236 (Aug/Sep-2005) article "Handloading the 44 Special" Brian tested 44 Special loads & put them in three different pressure categories: 1)- up to 15,500 psi, 2)- up to 22,000 psi, & 3)- up to 25,000 psi.

He placed the L-frame M696 in Category #3, along with several other strong revolvers, & stated that he tested it with loads up to 27,000 psi.

However, ten years later in Handloader #293 (Dec/Jan-2015) article "From the Hip" be basically amended that & said additional testing found the cylinder was plenty strong enough but the barrel's breech (forcing cone) was too thin for repeated heavy loads.

He suggested that they be limited to 18,000 psi loads or lower for this reason.

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Another concern with the 696's owned is the length of cylinder chamber cut. If using shorter 44 mag brass (like starline was), and shorter jacketed bullets (like Hdy 180 xtp's), you could chamber a 44 mag round into a 696.

If you go back far enough in time on this board, you may find a poster politely pointing out the difficulty with putting the 696 into the third pressure category, precisely because of the difference between pressure testing and the force exerted into the forcing cone. Way before the writer changed.
 
I did the trade and ended up with a Model 69 Combat Magnum. Its my first mim lock piece and I have to say it shoots very nicely. My buddy had a different hammer spring installed and a Dawson Precision fiber optik type front sight. I put some hefty .44 Special rounds through it thinking it was going to be .44 Special. Nice piece, I think I'll keep it and have a talk with John and Jennifer.

 
Big fan of the 44Spl, because it is special!

Been wearing my 696ND in a Don Hume and it's only slightly larger overall than the same brand holster with my 13-3 3" RB.

5 rounds of 250g SWC over 6.5g W231 = a lot of smashem downrange. I have to admit the 13 offers 6 rounds of 357, but I'm a big bullet guy. No replacement for displacement.

Congrats on the 69, they're good.
 
To all who posted pics and spoke so highly of your 696's, you just cost me alot of money, money I happily spent on a 696 "no-dash" of my very own!!!. I almost bought it a few weeks ago and after some messaging back and forth (never haggled about the price though) I decided to pass. Naturally I kept thinking about it for a while and then I found this thread and well, couldnt stand it, contacted the seller to see what was going on with it and finding out that it was still for sale I bought it.
Looking forward to getting that beautiful thing.
Personally the 69 isnt for me. I just dont like the looks of it. Im probably just going to load to the middle level as gar as pressure goes, dont need nor want to hot rod the Special.
Hope you enjoy your M69. I hope you report further of your experiences with it.
 
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How does the 696 compare to a M29 4 inch? I ask as I have never encountered the 696 here and have a 4 inch M29 I load to 44 special velocities.
 
You will not be sorry you got the 696! Happy to assist. :)

As to the 696 comparison to 29, It's the difference between L frame (586) to N frame (29).

The 696 has a K frame grip and is round butt (RB), so it's comfortable and helps to avoid printing for CCW.

I've been breaking in my holster for the past couple weeks with a 696 and I have to admit that it's plenty concealable.
 

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