81 Years Ago Today...

That's a good point retiredbadge8091, Does anyone know what that gun cost back then?

Patton ordered his in 1935. He got a military discount, IIRC, and paid about $48.00. At the time, he was a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army, and the wealthiest officer in any branch of the U.S. Military. He had no need to work at all, and his wife was wealthier than he. I can't remember exactly what the list price was, but I think about $60.00.

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I don't remember where I found this picture at on the net, but I thought some might like to see it.....

SmithWesson-GSPattonorderformforRegisteredMagnum.jpg

Best Regards, Les
 
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Richard, I guess the registration certificate, mailing tube, SAT, trilingual caution flyer, and other miscellaneous items are in the box, correct? [emoji41] That package is SO impressive!!!


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AND WHY DID IT COST WHAT IT COST?

That's a good point retiredbadge8091, Does anyone know what that gun cost back then?

As noted after this question, it retailed for $60.00. Also as noted, it was discounted to certain categories of individuals---LEO's, Military, and whatnot. Needless to say, it was also discounted to the distributors----who sold it to the retailers----who sold it to the end users---ostensibly for that $60.00.

Mine (coincidentally also shipped in December, 1935) was one of three (#643, 644, and 645) sold to Shapleigh Hardware (distributor), who sold them to Sports, Inc. (retailer) who sold them to one James A. Kasperski--------who had ordered them through Sports, Inc.. Shapleigh was billed $47.04 for each of the three guns. That leaves not much for profit for Shapleigh, AND for the retailer. And THAT----is peculiar, plum strange is what it is. One begins to wonder why S&W was being so unkind to their distributors (at least). One might also begin to wonder how much it cost S&W to make those guns.

Seeing as how one doesn't know the answers to these questions for sure and certain, one begins to weave a tapestry from the bits and pieces one DOES know. These are them: I own the K-22/40 shipped (1940) to Philip B. Sharpe---gratis----free for nothing. The cost for that gun was charged to S&W's Advertising Account-----$14.55 (including "grip adapter attached")---seemingly the cost to make the gun---and adapter. I also own a .44 HE 2nd Target (shipped 1940) as one of 39 identical units to a New York City distributor at what appears to be a VERY attractive close-out price of $17.00 each----pretty damn close to what it cost to make them----or so one would assume----knowing that $14.55 is cost for a 22/40---and grip adapter. As an aside, the regular distributor price for an Outdoorsman (.22) was in the mid 20's---$23-$25 something (I'd have to look that up.)

So what's the difference between a 22/40, and a .44 HE 2nd Target, and an RM? That requires a bit of sittin' and starin'---just a bit----not very much!! How 'bout the finish? It's identical. How 'bout the material? There's a little dab more in the N frames than the K frames-----and a teeny bit more in the RM because it has a rib. Right----the rib---it's checkered too. I wonder how much it cost to make two passes on the checkering machine? Not much. Well yeah, but how 'bout the "hand fitting" on the RM's? Yeah, how about that? There's no evidence of any such thing---no evidence one can see---or measure----or feel. Right about now one is figuring it didn't cost appreciably more to make the RM than it did to make anything else. So what's the deal?

How about this for the deal? S&W was facing hard times----same as lots of others. S&W needed to do something about it----sooner rather than later. How about this---how about we make a very special gun, and sell it to some folks who have money to spend on such things? Yeah, but what's going to be special about it? What's going to be special about it is what we say is special about it------------and the caliber. It's the CALIBER dummy----the CALIBER!! Right!!!!----the caliber Sharpe came up with----- THE .357 MAGNUM-------the most powerful handgun in the world---and will blow your head CLEAN OFF!!! And we'll throw in some bells and whistles----and we'll even sight them in for the folks. WOW!!!

You know what else? What? Let's promote it DIRECT to the individual----get ALL the money for ourselves. Yeah but---our distributors will be steamed, won't they? A little, sure; but they'll get over it---and besides---we'll still sell these things to them---just not allowing for the regular margin ----we're going to keep some of that----we NEED it!!

And guess what?!! It worked!! And that's how hero's like D.B come to be---and how heroic guns like RM's come to be----and how S&W saved their bacon---that time. And they keep on keeping on.

Is that what really happened? Beats me----it's simply a tapestry woven from bits and pieces---but I believe it.

Ralph Tremaine
 
Thanks, Richard, Ralph and all...this thread is extraordinarily informative!!

Love the brochure!! Also Ralph's altogether believable thesis regarding the genesis of the RM.

All good stuff.

Best Regards, Les
 
... A little more information about Mr A. C. Anderson:







...and an Omaha Inspector's badge that was with the package when it came to me.:)






Richard, did you request information from the S&W Historical Foundation on this fantastic RM?


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[QUOTE="RKmesa, post: 139374812, member: 124197"]...a little more information

The above is the most interesting piece of literature that I have read in my nearly 73 years of existence. I have always been a devout fan of S&W when they were a Gun Company, not just a company that builds guns. The thought, engineering and manufacturing excellence that went into their products was second to none. Yes, I can see marketing aspect of their presentation, but, They Delivered! I now feel that I owe S&W my best efforts when shooting those products of yesteryear. I was quite content with my endeavors at my age, but now, I know that I have used the excuse of AGE to become complacent. I promise, I will do better. Besides, I still love those cloverleaf "Bug Holes" I get with my K-38. Dennis
... a little more information:

Letter:



Blank "Brochure"/order form. Note that the retail price was $60 (page 7); however, LEO's usually were able to purchase them at a discount.















 
Richard, I guess the registration certificate, mailing tube, SAT, trilingual caution flyer, and other miscellaneous items are in the box, correct? [emoji41]

Terry:

I only wish that were the case.:o I only have one RM with a mostly complete package. It's a 7" RM with certificate, gun, box, tools, brochure, warranty card, caution card, tan tissue paper, but sadly no mailing tube and the box is on the worn side. Coincidentally, it too was shipped to a LEO.

The box pictured above is numbered to a later gun. But the boxes for the short RM's are fairly rare, very hard to come by and many of them number to post war guns. As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure that the short boxes were available for shipping in 1935 - but they sure are cool. In my many years of collecting boxes and guns, I have only seen three of the "small" pre war 357 Magnum boxes available for sale - and I currently own two of the three.:) The third one I did not see until after it had been won at an auction in a bulk lot with a bunch of other boxes, and as I recall - whomever purchased the lot, paid significantly less for the whole lot, than they should have for the RM box itself. Sometimes (make that "always") it's good to be lucky. :)
 
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