9mm lever?

[Echo40]

Personally, I would be concerned about the profile of typical 9mm FMJ having the potential to go off inside of a tube magazine, although it's most likely perfectly safe.

 

[Flyingfool]

I would prefer 9mm manual action to be a pump.

I hunt with and love my marlin 336 lever actions in 30-30 and 35 rem (which is rimless BTW)

I always wanted a 22 pump and would love the 38/357 and even 9mm in pump action.

Round nose would be zero issue in 9mm since the recoil is essentially non existent. Look at 200 grain round nose ammo from 35 rem. It has way more recoil and has proven safe from more than half century. Also hornady flex tip leverevolution ammo could be marketed as well of people are that concerned.

It would be a hoot to shoot either lever or pump in 9mm.

 

[44wheelman]

Hhhmmm….Winchester 61/62 in 9mm, that would be cool.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Saw a posting on another forum, someone asked the CAS/SASS shooters about problems with round nose-lead-bullets in tubular magazines, all respondents said they had no problems. Spitzer bullets are the ones to watch out for.
My idea of a fun gun is a bolt action with interchangeable 9MM/38 Super barrels using M1911 magazines.

 

[jag312]

Back in the 1980s I remember some anti-gun extremist wanting to ban lever action rifles as assault rifles. "We've got to ban lever action rifles. Look at The Rifleman! He shoots it like a machinegun!" There isn't a gun in existence that is not on the anti-gun extremists' ban list.

Don't forget how deadly the 9mm cartridge is. One shot to the torso and it will blow out the lungs of the victim. One shot to the arm or leg will lead to traumatic amputation. A 9mm lever action rifle just might get moved further up the list.

 

[Casual Smith Nut]

Not commenting on intent of manufacturer or the "tactical" appearance of this particular 9mm levergun…

The idea of a 9mm levergun or slide action gun in general to me is appealing mostly as a handloader due to the fact that the action is manually operated. Same traits as other existing and popular pistol caliber leverguns. Adding 9mm to the bunch I think is a neat thing:
- operation of the action isn't dependent on the power level of the cartridge. Thus there's more variety in handloads possible.
- manual feed and lift of the cartridge allowing variety of bullet profiles within the specs of what the receiver allows for OAL
- granted that the window of loadings for 9mm doesn't go as high or isn't as expansive as 357 mag, the smaller case capacity does allow more efficient loadings within the loadings of what is possible. For example 3.5gr of bullseye is more efficient in a smaller 9mm case than it is in a 38spl or 357 case under a 125gr bullet… does more with less.

I agree on the box mag vs tube mag observations. Part of the charm of tube mags (on most leverguns) is the slimness of the design with no projections sticking out the bottom of the gun. The question on how to get a rimless cartridge to feed well in a tube fed design I think is the biggest hindrance. It's not that it can't be done but I imagine the machining and production may be expensive? Not sure on the real inner workings of the tube feed and lift of those designs.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

People gotta realize that the old Henrys, 1892, etc were the AR15's of yesteryear. Indians were damn lucky that Eugene Stoner wasn't born in 1830

 

[Flyingfool]

As noted above. The 35 rem is rimless. As are the 356, 358 & 308 Win and 300 savage cartridges. I also believe the 308, 338 marlin express offerings Were rimless a few years back. All in lever action rifles.

Granted they are all longer bottle neck cases rather than short straight walled pistol cases.

 

[Grayfox]

If it were possible and practical to build tube fed lever guns that use rimless pistol cartridges somebody would have done it long before now.
Bear in mind that a lever gun is a straight mechanical system that relies on lever, links, lifters and stops. Maybe its the geometry of the system that doesn't like stubby, little rimless cartridges?
Who knows, perhaps there is a workable design out there somewhere but its just too expensive to make and sell?

Wait a minute.... The .38 Super is semi-rimmed. I wonder????

 

[Tom K]

I kind of understand the comments about not liking the magazine, because who wants a lever action where part of the gun sticks way out underneath?

Hey, wait a minute....

 

[bmcgilvray]

Yeah, but one doesn't have to endure a dangling lever if he has the presence of mind to close the action.

 

[BC38]

I kind of understand the comments about not liking the magazine, because who wants a lever action where part of the gun sticks way out underneath?

Hey, wait a minute....

Yeah, it isn't like anyone carries it around or shoots it that way. The action is only opened like that for a couple of seconds BETWEEN shots. Totally irrelevant - so much so that the attempted joke falls flat.
Carrying and shooting one the slim profile is a big plus - until you hang a magazine off if the receiver...

 

[bugout]

i did it better... converted an 1894C to 9mm, 16.5" barrel threaded

the barrel is a 9mm barrel too not the orig 357

 

[BC38]

i did it better... converted an 1894C to 9mm, 16.5" barrel threaded

the barrel is a 9mm barrel too not the orig 357

Don't be a TEASE... let's see some pictures!

 

[VictorLouis]

I kinda like it. Not enough to spend two grand on it, but if somebody gave me one I'd have a blast with it.

I got hands-on with one yesterday at our local POF premier dealer. I have to admit, the thoughts of how funky it looks fade quickly away in the shouldering, and handling. The top is graced with a great set of XS peep sight, and white ramp front blade. Pic rail for your optice, natch. Forend is amenable to whatever tacti-KEWL crud you'd want to mount. The trigger is EXQUISITE. I didn't handle it with the OEM mag in place, but there is a 10rd version of it also, to keep it more compact (and restrictive states).
Both my friend and I thought the same thing...if they got the MSRP down to under a grand...we'd bite!

I would prefer 9mm manual action to be a pump.

I always wanted a 22 pump and would love the 38/357 and even 9mm in pump action.

It would be a hoot to shoot either lever or pump in 9mm.

Please join me in emailing Henry (at least annually) to introduce their PUMP in .38/.357!

If it were possible and practical to build tube fed lever guns that use rimless pistol cartridges somebody would have done it long before now.

Marlin 1894 Pistol Caliber Carbine Conversions (10MM, 40S&W, 45ACP, 357SIG)

What is a Marlin 1894 short stroke conversion?

1894 Semi-Auto Pistol Carbine in 10mm Auto – No Longer Available – Grizzly Custom Guns

Marlin 1894 10mm Conversion

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

A tube fed lever gun depends on a fair sized cartridge rim for proper feeding.
If you recall, lever guns in .45 Colt didn't appear until a few years ago. Back in the 1800s the original .45 Colt cartridge had a smaller rim which wasn't wide enough to reliably feed in lever actions. I forget exactly when it happened, but the .45 Colt was modified with a slightly wider rim that will now work in lever actions.

My guess is that this new 9mm abomination uses detachable magazines simply because that's the only way it can reliably feed.

I agree with you Colt description.........But your first sentence OH HECK NO popped into my mind as there are 1.3 gazzillion lever action .22's that function fine with very small cartridge with a very small rim.