A dangerous proposal in Congress

[Telecaster]

Ya don’t say!

 

[Telecaster]

Before Muslims it was other religious cults, and before that it was communists. There’s always a boogieman to keep us scared.

 

[ladder13]

Constitutional conservatives.

 

[biku324]

Riots. Destruction of private property. Defiance of legal authorities. Shooting at the legally constituted authorities.

Sounds pretty extreme to me. In fact, it sounds like Portland.

Preceded by a decade of attempts to achieve representation by a substantial part of the population using every legitimate method, then a Declaration of Independence. The colonial rebels were not tiny groups of fringe paranoics.

 

[Yaworski]

Preceded by a decade of attempts to achieve representation by a substantial part of the population using every legitimate method, then a Declaration of Independence.

They were colonists, the law did not allow for them to have representation. Rather than moving to England and getting elected to Parliament so they could pass laws, they rioted, destroyed property, and then shot at government agents.

A declaration of independence didn't carry much weight when the southern states said, "we're an independent country now." An evil, evil man committed to a bloody war that still impacts us today.

Just think, if we had stayed with England, the health care issue would be moot and we'd be drinking warm beer.

 

[NFrameFred]

Before drifting off into conspiracy territory, . . . . . . . . . . . One World Order, and other paranoid fantasies. . . . . . . . . . .

Unfortunately the rebuttal of that drifts into a subject that is prohibited from discussion here. Suffice to say, many of us here are persuaded that the probability and reality of One World Order/Government is not some fanciful 'conspiracy theory' and especially not a 'paranoid fantasy'.

In my opinion, those who don't believe in that are living in a self serving delusional feel good fantasy and won't even admit it when it smacks them in the face. Because accepting that would necessitate confronting a whole other set of realities that a lot of folks take comfort in denying.

 

[biku324]

I had to laugh...you just don't hear these conspiracy theories outside the US!

 

[Yaworski]

I had to laugh...you just don't these conspiracy theories outside the US!

Probably because they don't have free speech.

 

[biku324]

And that's even more laughable!

 

[erikpolcrack]

Off topic but I spent a lot of time in Laporte/Dushore area many years ago. Great place, I miss it!

We live east of Shunk, west of Camp Brule' in Fox Township, across the World's End State Park gorge from those towns. All our kids went to school in Laporte, and Dushore is one of two 'big towns' we shop in, the other being Canton, a bit closer to our north, but in Bradford County, not Sullivan. BTW, the totally unnecessary traffic light in Dushore is the only one in the county.

 

[Yaworski]

And that's even more laughable!

Really? Try doing the Skokie march in Germany.

 

[Telecaster]

Really? Try doing the Skokie march in Germany.

I think he meant here.

 

[Rodan]

And that's even more laughable!

What's laughable is ceaseless attempts to 'splain away every infringement, unconstitutional action and outright lawlessness of the .gov as no big deal... "it's all just conspiracy theory"!

 

[johngalt]

What's laughable is ceaseless attempts to 'splain away every infringement, unconstitutional action and outright lawlessness of the .gov as no big deal... "it's all just conspiracy theory"!

Isn't the right to be well-trained part of the 2nd?

 

[Telecaster]

Isn't the right to be well-trained part of the 2nd?

Nah, it’s just about hunting rifles.

Regulate:

to adjust (the amount of heat, sound, etc, of something) as required; control

to adjust (an instrument or appliance) so that it operates correctly

 

[riverrat38]

Isn't the right to be well-trained part of the 2nd?

That is what "well regulated" meant. The ability to use arms.
Words change, but ideas don't!

73,
Rick

 

[NFrameFred]

Nah, it’s just about hunting rifles.

Regulate:

to adjust (the amount of heat, sound, etc, of something) as required; control

to adjust (an instrument or appliance) so that it operates correctly

I've often posited that position. Those who long for Big Daddy Goobermint to control everything with an iron fist they don't like or fear salivate at twisting the language with it's antiquated phrasing to mean things like "the militia is the National Guard" and other misapplied definitions. In that context, "well regulated" indeed inferred 'arms sighted in by adjustments coming by practice and familiarity with the weapons'; by a militia comprised of all the citizenry who could bear arms for the common defense.

It strains credulity under any stretch of the imagination that the people who had just risked their fortunes and very lives to rebel against an authoritarian juggernaut that tried to take their very means of armed resistance by unjust law would immediately turn around and advocate such for themselves and their fellow countrymen. The idea that could be the case defies common sense.

"Regulate" is an antique gunsmith term that is still used today to describe adjusting shotgun or other fixed sight barrels to the proper point of aim to coincide with the impact of the projectile(s).
"A well regulated militia" equals a defense force of our own citizens that knows how to shoot,maintaining willingness, preparation and proficiency.

 

[biku324]

Really? Try doing the Skokie march in Germany.

You'll need a better example. Opponents block German neo-Nazi march in Mainz – DW – 07/16/2022

 

[Buford57]

Riots. Destruction of private property. Defiance of legal authorities. Shooting at the legally constituted authorities.

Sounds pretty extreme to me. In fact, it sounds like Portland.

Or Massachusetts in the 1770s.

 

[steelslaver]

Preceded by a decade of attempts to achieve representation by a substantial part of the population using every legitimate method, then a Declaration of Independence. The colonial rebels were not tiny groups of fringe paranoics.

Ah, but they were viewed as such by those who ruled this country at that time. Plus, it was actually a fairly small percentage of the population in each of the several colonies that got the ball rolling.

YOUR definition of fringe paranoics probably doesn't match up with everyone else's.

In fact I view many of you and your state's legal views on this subject and on gun possession as on the fringe and paranoid, especially when viewed from the perspective of most of the non coastal western states.