A market value question

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I do realize that this is the S&W forum, but I have learned that the views of the members are credible and accurate.

Today, a former colleague asked me what his father's (or perhaps grandfather's) WWI 1911 would be worth. I was honest and admitted that I was clueless. If anyone can offer a suggestion, it would be appreciated.

The 1911 in question is in original condition, never refinished. Both the frame and slide are Colt manufactured. The serial number falls in the first 300,000. The most recent patent year is 1913 on the pistol, and it is marked as property of the US.

Might anyone be able to suggest a ballpark value? Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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I think finish condition would be important. I don't track these closely but I think an all-original WW I era 1911 with a family/wartime history in nice condition would be at least a $2000 gun. Others may be along with more accurate estimates.
 
Original means original in all respects, including parts. True early 1911 collectors can tell instantly if the barrel, hammer, magazine, etc. are not original to the pistol, or at least period-correct, so the first step is to determine if all parts are correct, or if any have been replaced. And often some have been.

Many serious 1911 collectors reside at the Colt Forum, and the best course of action would be to post your question there, along with a few really good pictures. My guess without seeing the pistol would be probably at least $1500 and could easily be somewhat more.
 
Condition and originality are king. There is so much that must be determined to get an accurate value. All original in nice shape will fetch several thousand. All the little things that need to be determined, and how 'nice' it is, will determine how many thousands..... Heck, the two tone magazines could bring a couple hundred, as could a pair of original grips. Books have been written on the subject.
 
I would post same question at 1911 forum and add some good pictures. Those boys over there really know there stuff, they will get you right in the ballpark
 
The dollar value is irrelevant, if it's father's or grandfather's it's priceless.
Very relevant. Depending on why it's being asked. Do they want to insure it? Is it worth insuring? Maybe they want to know so they treat it properly. You know.... Instead of taking it in the woods maybe it should be in a safe. Or maybe they would like to get money for it! Not everyone is into guns and some people are not in good financial situations

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Without photos were all just taking a shot in the dark. I've seen a ton of completely original and minty "grandpa's gun" that turned out to be completely bubba refinished and in rough shape. Anymore I don't even think about tossing out a price without seeing the firearm in question.

I won't even give a ballpark figure on unseen guns because often the ball park can be pretty huge.
 
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Welcome to the Forum.

I agree that opinions are always just that. The 1911 serious collectors have a wealth of resources, usually books by experts such as Wilson, Sapp, Harrison, Pate that detail exactly the proof marks, the parts, the manufacture dates, etc.

Something to think about is that very few 1911's from WW1 and even 1911A1's from WW 2 or Korea, or even Viet Nam were true "bring backs". If the vet was a ranking officer...then maybe, but most military weapons were just that, military weapons and remained with the Command, when the GI rotated, or went home, discharged etc.

Long guns (1903-a3, Garands, M1 Carbines), seem to be a different story and if there any old photos, bring back papers, family history records, etc. all become provenance that pretty much stays with the gun in question.

There also was a period in time where 1911's and 1911A1's could be purchased legally from DCM (now CMP) for peanuts.

Coolgunsite on the Web and the Colt Forum will assist you greatly, but for definitive value your friends gun will really need to be looked at in detail by a serious collector or expert preferably, one who already has one or more Colt 1911's so as to not be interested in purchasing.

There are also experts (find them on the Web) that will for a price, receive your friends gun and provide you a very detailed written estimate.

You may also check with a reputable Local Gun Store. There are 2 LGS in my area that charge $25.00 but you also get a very detailed, written estimate of current value, and a written estimate for insurance purposes (the values are not always the same). One owner of a LGS in my area is an expert on Lugers and was very helpful in assisting me with my 41 byf Black Widow, another Owner was (still is I think) a S&W expert and contributor to SCSW 3rd Edition, so they are out there.

Like the above posters, condition and originality are everything.

2 years ago I sold a 1911A1 Colt (WW2), all correct and matching but NRA condition wise about 85% and I got 2 hits the day it listed both for full asking price of $2,600..both hits were serious collectors, and when we met face-to-face I was not at all surprised, or offended, when we did a detailed disassembly at my place. The buyer had his reference books with him, and I had my details listed correctly so no sweat.

I also agree with family heirlooms and that value cannot really be placed on family treasures but we don't know the story or the circumstances.

As always.......research the gun in detail, and always buy the gun...not the story. Or..in your case "value" the gun, not the story unless it can be documented in some small way

Good luck in helping your friend out
 
please excuse me Irrifleman....you have been around this forum a lot longer than I have so I didn't need to post a welcome to the forum:o

I had been just looking at another post from someone who just joined, but as we used to say in the Army when caught in a screwup:

"NO EXCUSE SIR !!!"
 
please excuse me Irrifleman....you have been around this forum a lot longer than I have so I didn't need to post a welcome to the forum:o

I had been just looking at another post from someone who just joined, but as we used to say in the Army when caught in a screwup:

"NO EXCUSE SIR !!!"

Relax, we are all human and occasionally make a mistake, something that you usually will not hear in the Army!
 
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