A professional's prediction re: Army pistol

[LVSteve]

The "40 has less recoil than 45" will be the official line to get a gun that can be easily swapped between 9mm and the new caliber. It is way more difficult going to 45 from 9mm than it is from 40. The requirement will be "ability to swap between two calibers with minimal changes in parts".

 

[G-Mac]

In my opinion .45 is a mistake.

Colonel Jeff Cooper would probably disagree.

 

[alwslate]

I predict yet another false start. This is, what, the third time now they've talked about doing this?

I predict the Beretta M9 in 9mm will "win."

I think Waywatcher is right on target.

 

[wbraswell]

Who needs urban renewal, infrastructure repair and grid update, when we can spend money on a new pistol.

 

[Bill Bates]

As long as we're speculating; I'll throw in my two cents and that may be over charging.

We're dealing with the government which, these days, means logic is out the window.

I can see a Glock 21 with a safety on it side or something completely different like the FNH Five Seven.

 

[Maximumbob54]

But can it shoot +P?

 

[Herknav]

My prediction is this is some Army acquisition/contractor dude running his yap to get courted by some handgun companies. I don't foresee this being any different than the last couple of "new pistol" searches DoD has conducted. Those went nowhere.

I can't imagine them going away from the No Action Talk Only (NATO) standard, which is 9mm. I certainly don't see them adopting two calibers.

 

[Bugkiller99]

If nothing else, it gives us something almost as good as a bear gun thread

 

[Road Rat]

Anyone who can't handle the massive recoil of the full sized 1911 has no business in the military.

Ninety percent of the fear of the .45 ACP "recoil" is fear of things they have heard.

Personally I can't tell the difference in recoil between my S&W 39-2 in 9mm and my Kimber Pro (mid sized) in .45.

Neither of them hurt me!!

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

He may be a weapons developer who know his stuff in that area, but what does he know about pork, earmarks and currying favor with other countries who have firearms factories that need employment as well as other assets our country (or politicians) need?

I mean, which high-level weapons developer would have called the Beretta for the M9 if asked back in '79?

Spoken like a truly jaded lawyer

I feel bad for you guys, that you FEEL so all alone. There are probably only about three people on this forum who disagree with Erich's post, and I have no idea who they might be.

 

[Erich]

I don't feel alone!

 

[cavsix]

Will it meet the 'belt fed' requirement?

 

[MOONDAWG]

They'll find proof of Sasquatch & ET's long before the M-9's & M-9A1's are replaced.

 

[WR Moore]

Based upon the way the article in the Washington Times was phrased, it looks like the Army is going to shop the commercial marketplace. I expect this is intended to get Congress Critters alerted to the fact that the Army has a need.

This primes the budget pump. It also gets individual CCs who may have prospective suppliers excited. They're excited because they may gain jobs in their electoral districts. Even better, the prospective suppliers will desire to curry favor with their local CC.

I can see that after 25 odd years, the M9s might be a bit moth eaten. However, the 'need more thump' argument can be addressed with ammo selection.

 

[Rick_A]

I can see that after 25 odd years, the M9s might be a bit moth eaten. However, the 'need more thump' argument can be addressed with shot placement.

FIFY

With all the money dumped into wonder weapons of the future to replace the M16/M4 I have little faith in this.

This is the third or fourth such announcement in the past several years.

 

[zzzippper]

Colonel Jeff Cooper would probably disagree.

I'm not a fan of that pompous ***. Curious, I don't remember writing that, I'll have to go bad and re-read. I must have meant that since they have tried both the 9mm and 45 that it would be a mistake. I know I'm going to get pounced on for such heresy.

OH! Now I know why I don't remember it, it is in the quote from my source.

 

[venomballistics]

I'm not a fan of that pompous ***. Curious, I don't remember writing that, I'll have to go bad and re-read. I must have meant that since they have tried both the 9mm and 45 that it would be a mistake. I know I'm going to get pounced on for such heresy.

OH! Now I know why I don't remember it, it is in the quote from my source.

It's not exactly you getting pounced, flamed, and otherwise crucified.
Rather it is a portion of what your inside guy has to say.
Eye on the ball.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

I don't feel alone!

LAWYER HUG!!!!!

 

[Erich]

Aww,thanks. Hey, where's my wallet!?

 

[blujax01]

Soooo, how much do you think Bud's will be asking for surplus M-9's and where do I get in line?