Doug M.
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I received this from a mailing list to which I belong. The italicized portion at the end is the commentary of the list owner. He’s right (and was copied on the email version I sent to friends so he can read my additional comments).
Just Because You've Got a Gun: The 24-year-old tugboat deckhand who was shot dead in Ocean View [Norfolk VA] on Tuesday was pointing a gun at his killer and trying to stop a robbery, his brother said. Pedro “Pete” Cain had been hanging out with some neighbors at his apartment building in the 9000 block of 1st View St. when a woman came up to the group and asked to use someone’s phone, 20-year-old Jonathan Cain said Friday. They told her they didn’t have one she could use. And Pete Cain, suspicious the woman might be casing the place, ran back to his apartment, got his handgun from a drawer, loaded a clip and returned to his neighbor’s. After coming back, a man wearing a bandana pointed a gun at them, Jonathan Cain said. So Pete Cain took aim at the would-be robber and ordered him to put his gun on the ground. The man seemed to comply, slowly lowering it. But then he jerked up and fired, hitting Pete Cain in the stomach, his younger brother said. Jonathan Cain said he called 911 and put pressure on his brother’s wound, telling him it was only little. But, Cain said Friday, the bullet had ricocheted inside him, hitting vital organs... (I seem to recall a line from a Clint Eastwood movie: “There's a time to shoot and a time to talk.” Action beats reaction. I don't know whether the late Pete Cain had the option of taking cover before challenging the apparent robber.)
Norfolk man was trying to stop a robbery, brother says. He pointed his gun, but his killer fired first. | Courts & Crime | pilotonline.com
More from Doug: Further, I note that while this was a civilian who was killed by a violent criminal, it is also an excellent example of why the lunatics and moonbats are incorrect when they assert cops are too quick to shoot. This was not a time to talk at all – the moment that Bandana Dude made his appearance and did ANYTHING consistent with being a violent criminal, he should have been shot, as many times as it took to stop his actions. This man died for the same reason cops die – not aggressive enough soon enough, and this particular example of the criminally feral could tell that the victim was not prepared to not be a victim.
Other lessons: 1) There is no excuse for being unarmed at any time or place if you can lawfully be armed. Cooper was right: one cannot make an appointment for an emergency. Remember, a pistol is what you carry when you have no specific reason to expect a problem. If you have such reason, and are not taking a long gun (rifle, or a shotgun with slugs), you are not smart at all.
2) Better answer – when this woman came up and acted as she did, and gave that impression, it was time to be elsewhere. Right now. Not in 5 seconds. NOW. With alacrity. Just as with the shooting, hesitancy is fatal, and portions of seconds kill. There was no need to be at that place – cops have to look for trouble, actively seeking bad people and imposing control on their actions. I don’t do that any more. When I did, I almost always took a long gun out if there was an indication of potential violence. Now – phooey. I can be elsewhere and avoid the mess.
In passing I also note that telling her to get away from you and your group, in no uncertain terms, was also an immediate action option (hurt her feelings, who cares?; she has no right not to be offended). It is also a test – anything other than immediate compliance is an indication of a serious problem, and you need to take action. Disrupt the OODA loop.
Just Because You've Got a Gun: The 24-year-old tugboat deckhand who was shot dead in Ocean View [Norfolk VA] on Tuesday was pointing a gun at his killer and trying to stop a robbery, his brother said. Pedro “Pete” Cain had been hanging out with some neighbors at his apartment building in the 9000 block of 1st View St. when a woman came up to the group and asked to use someone’s phone, 20-year-old Jonathan Cain said Friday. They told her they didn’t have one she could use. And Pete Cain, suspicious the woman might be casing the place, ran back to his apartment, got his handgun from a drawer, loaded a clip and returned to his neighbor’s. After coming back, a man wearing a bandana pointed a gun at them, Jonathan Cain said. So Pete Cain took aim at the would-be robber and ordered him to put his gun on the ground. The man seemed to comply, slowly lowering it. But then he jerked up and fired, hitting Pete Cain in the stomach, his younger brother said. Jonathan Cain said he called 911 and put pressure on his brother’s wound, telling him it was only little. But, Cain said Friday, the bullet had ricocheted inside him, hitting vital organs... (I seem to recall a line from a Clint Eastwood movie: “There's a time to shoot and a time to talk.” Action beats reaction. I don't know whether the late Pete Cain had the option of taking cover before challenging the apparent robber.)
Norfolk man was trying to stop a robbery, brother says. He pointed his gun, but his killer fired first. | Courts & Crime | pilotonline.com
More from Doug: Further, I note that while this was a civilian who was killed by a violent criminal, it is also an excellent example of why the lunatics and moonbats are incorrect when they assert cops are too quick to shoot. This was not a time to talk at all – the moment that Bandana Dude made his appearance and did ANYTHING consistent with being a violent criminal, he should have been shot, as many times as it took to stop his actions. This man died for the same reason cops die – not aggressive enough soon enough, and this particular example of the criminally feral could tell that the victim was not prepared to not be a victim.
Other lessons: 1) There is no excuse for being unarmed at any time or place if you can lawfully be armed. Cooper was right: one cannot make an appointment for an emergency. Remember, a pistol is what you carry when you have no specific reason to expect a problem. If you have such reason, and are not taking a long gun (rifle, or a shotgun with slugs), you are not smart at all.
2) Better answer – when this woman came up and acted as she did, and gave that impression, it was time to be elsewhere. Right now. Not in 5 seconds. NOW. With alacrity. Just as with the shooting, hesitancy is fatal, and portions of seconds kill. There was no need to be at that place – cops have to look for trouble, actively seeking bad people and imposing control on their actions. I don’t do that any more. When I did, I almost always took a long gun out if there was an indication of potential violence. Now – phooey. I can be elsewhere and avoid the mess.
In passing I also note that telling her to get away from you and your group, in no uncertain terms, was also an immediate action option (hurt her feelings, who cares?; she has no right not to be offended). It is also a test – anything other than immediate compliance is an indication of a serious problem, and you need to take action. Disrupt the OODA loop.
After all, the odds of being in a car accident are dramatically higher than the odds of being the victim of a violent crime.
