What a tragedy.
The fact that it was preventable, makes it even more tragic.
The fact that it was preventable, makes it even more tragic.
Accidental death at range yesterday
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pittpa
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I wonder what he meant by "no direct negligence". I investigated accidents, most of which were caused by negligence, for 29 years and don't recall this term. Someone shot her. That's pretty direct, and negligent.
14-year-old dies at Bismarck shooting range in apparent accident | The Dickinson Press
14-year-old dies at Bismarck shooting range in apparent accident | The Dickinson Press
lhump1961
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I can't imagine how devastating that must be to the family. I'm not sure I could ever recover if I were the shooter. Accident?...yes. Negligence?...sorry but yes.
Very, very tragic.
Very, very tragic.
It seems to me that inexperienced minors need to be closely supervised when handling firearms. This family tragedy could have been avoided had the people in question received basic gun handling instructions.
But then, if you search the youtube videos, you'll see lots of so-called adults doing mindlessly stupid things with firearms. I don't have an answer to these tragedies.
But then, if you search the youtube videos, you'll see lots of so-called adults doing mindlessly stupid things with firearms. I don't have an answer to these tragedies.
medic15al
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No direct negligent distinguishes itself from direct by the totality of circumstances. Use this incident as an example as no direct, as while you can use another case as direct, Involving construction workers goofing off and tossing a crowbar to each other resulting in it falling several stories and killing another worker.
IOW: The original action in direct negligence was dangerous and reckless to begin with, while the other was NOT acting in a reckless activity prior to the incident.
pittpa
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Not that it makes any difference, it seems like a young persons' mistake, turning the head and whatever is in hand at the same time. I've seen it on a bicycle with bad results. Hopefully it is conditioned out when one learns to drive a car.
EDIT, but must be trained out when learning to use a gun!
EDIT, but must be trained out when learning to use a gun!
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shouldazagged
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Damn, damn, bugger and blast.
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This tragedy is heart-breaking. I will pray for the lost loved one and those involved.
The way I read the article's reference to no direct negligence is that the victim didn't directly contribute to the accident by being in the wrong place. In other words if the victim had walked down range when the range was hot, there would have been direct negligence on the part of the victim.
The shooter was clearly and very directly negligent by failing to exercise both proper muzzle discipline and proper trigger discipline. There is no way around that as those failures create a very direct risk.
Being the father of two girls, this is heartbreaking. One of the first things that we taught new shooters was to keep the muzzle pointed down range and your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
Even with that, it always amazes me when I look at either our indoor our outdoor range and see the number of bullet holes that didn't end up in a target.
Even with that, it always amazes me when I look at either our indoor our outdoor range and see the number of bullet holes that didn't end up in a target.
zzzippper
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Lots of lives ruined in an instant. Sad.
Lee's Landing Billy
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My heart cries for these folks. I've told this before, but it bears repeating. I have 20 hard men that shoot here. The majority are military men with in depth training. Some are State champions in different pistol and National champions in rifle. I have 3 covered areas, 2 at 25 yards and 1 at 100 yards. 2 of the 3 have bullet holes in them!!! .30 hole in 100 yard top and 9mm hole in 25 yard post. I have had 3 NDs in 50+ years of shooting. In the last 12 years shooting every day. I thank the shooting Gods that mine were pointed down range. If you have never had a round go off that was early or you just weren't ready to go off..You are a lucky shooter. OR don't shoot much. Please, watch the people around you and do not hold back for fear of hurting someone's feelings. Believe me, if you are careless here, you will think the sky fell on your head. God Bless this 14 year old Angel. The Angels in Heaven are singing tonight to welcome her home.
A very tragic accident. Sadly, someone is going to have to live with that mistake for the rest of their life.
cowboy4evr
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I hate going to public ranges . If you watch , sooner or later you will see the guy next to you or a booth down fiddling with his semi auto . Holding it crosswise in front of him , pointed at YOU . Be Alert to not only what you are doing , but the guy next to you .
lrb1200
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So sad a thread, I'm sorry I even opened it up to read it.
It could have been prevented,
It could have been prevented,
The tragedy is......
...that if he knew and followed a few simple rules the girl would still be alive.
...that if he knew and followed a few simple rules the girl would still be alive.
pittpa
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Happens at private ranges, too.
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I wonder how old the shooter was. Two of the big rules of gun safety broken there, well, maybe three. What a shame.
I Shot with my grandson a few times, and he had to recite the rules each time we shot. He was eight when we started, 13 now, and he still repeats them to me. Number one. The muzzle never covers anything you don't want to shoot. Number two. Finger off the trigger, until you are going to fire.
MCorps0311
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Sad, R.I.P.Child.in Jesus name............Amen
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