Most LEO's aren't "gun guys . . ."
Accidental discharge - Appendix Carry
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Most LEO's aren't "gun guys . . ."
Marshal Tom
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I agree with Muss, CB3 and several others regarding this issue. I have been carrying a Gen 1 Shield AIWB for probably two years almost every day. I carry it in a quality Kydex holster with the safety off. I never use the safety since I am a lefty. I train both live and dry fire all the time and am extremely careful when reholstering, making sure that there is nothing in the way while inserting the pistol. Sometimes I do take the holster off during this process and then put the holster back in place. Training and practice is the key here! Keep your darn finger off the bang switch. The gun is not going to go off by it self. AIWB carry has many advantages, one of which is the quickest draw stroke if time matters to you. Access while seated or driving is another. Until recently, I was a strong side only carry guy but have dedicated time and effort to AIWB carry and am finding that I carry that way more and more as I get used to it.
I had to quit using shoulder holsters because I couldn't stand having the gun pointing down at my pelvis and hip joint. It was a muzzle-down of course... I'd never carry a muzzle-up one because it would dislocate my shoulder when it fired up into the joint. And muzzle-back pointed at all manner of innocent people.
So I was going to get an owb cross-draw, but that was pointing at my hip too. Small of back was going to fracture my tailbone. Thought about IWB 5 o'clockish so it would only hit my rear end, but if I'm walking my foot is back in the line of fire part time too.
AIWB I of course rejected out of hand.
Finally I was only left with ankle carry. A dog attacked me and somehow his tooth penetrated the leather and pushed on the trigger. I blew off the outer side of my fibula and that was the end of my dancing career.
So I was going to get an owb cross-draw, but that was pointing at my hip too. Small of back was going to fracture my tailbone. Thought about IWB 5 o'clockish so it would only hit my rear end, but if I'm walking my foot is back in the line of fire part time too.
AIWB I of course rejected out of hand.
Finally I was only left with ankle carry. A dog attacked me and somehow his tooth penetrated the leather and pushed on the trigger. I blew off the outer side of my fibula and that was the end of my dancing career.
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Thats exactly what he said is happening.
Oscar Zulu
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During my last CCW renewal, I asked my instructor what he thought about appendix carry. He didn't like it much. Turns out he is the guy in the video...
Oscar Zulu
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It’s interesting he was still alive and teaching gun stuff after having shot his bladder, appendix, liver, intestines, femoral artery, testicles, penis and thigh (sarcasm).
So he didn’t die? An AAR from that guy would be a valuable piece of instruction.
Actual injury was possibly just the inside of his left thigh, no femoral artery?
George_P_Burdell
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mstem
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Even at 67 I think too much of my "junk" to have a loaded gun pointing at it at any time.
mmb617
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If I believed what one poster said - that everyone will eventually have an accidental discharge, then I wouldn't carry a gun at all. That train of thought is similar to those who say that everyone who rides a motorcycle will eventually go down.
Fortunately I don't believe either of those statements so I both carry (AIWB) and ride.
Anyone with so little faith in their own gun handling skills that they think they will accidentally shoot themselves probably shouldn't be handling guns in the first place.
Fortunately I don't believe either of those statements so I both carry (AIWB) and ride.
Anyone with so little faith in their own gun handling skills that they think they will accidentally shoot themselves probably shouldn't be handling guns in the first place.
Appendix carry has been around for far longer then the current trends. It is as safe as you are, but unforgiving if you screw up. That said, being far too fat to carry that way I am glad blowing my balls off never crosses my mind.
Everyone talks about how to reholster safely, but I could see the AD while drawing the weapon. I know everyone but me is an ex SEAL, and has had Gunsite training, and practices 500 round every weekend, etc., but in real world panic mode "Someone is trying to kill me" situation and not training, I could see my finger sliding inside the trigger guard while fumbling with an unexpected draw or while someone is attacking me physically.
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I love AIWB, but I've always considered any ND unacceptable, and I'd be curious to hear how many carry discharges the people talking about the safety of potential 3-4 o'clock NDs have had. Carrying in any way besides a duty/competition/chest holster for me involves 100% taking the holster off to reholster, no matter the location or it being IWB/OWB/AIWB. In the exceptions listed, extreme care is given, as it should be always.
If you're not fat, and even in most cases if you're not too fat, AIWB allows a crazy amount of freedom to carry. I carry my P365XL in shorts and a t shirt, or fishing shirt. If it has belt loops, and the shirt covers my stomach, I can conceal in it, in circumstances where the same firearm at 8 or 9 (being a sinister lefty) would print badly for me. It's a great option.
Option is the key word. If you don't like it, don't do it, just as if you're scared to carry and auto, don't do it, or if you're scared to carry in any way with one in the chamber, don't do it. As always, work on your heart health, stop smoking, and lose weight if you're concerned about actually staying alive longer, but if you want to carry a gun at all, you're ahead when it comes to rare self defense circumstances.
If you're not fat, and even in most cases if you're not too fat, AIWB allows a crazy amount of freedom to carry. I carry my P365XL in shorts and a t shirt, or fishing shirt. If it has belt loops, and the shirt covers my stomach, I can conceal in it, in circumstances where the same firearm at 8 or 9 (being a sinister lefty) would print badly for me. It's a great option.
Option is the key word. If you don't like it, don't do it, just as if you're scared to carry and auto, don't do it, or if you're scared to carry in any way with one in the chamber, don't do it. As always, work on your heart health, stop smoking, and lose weight if you're concerned about actually staying alive longer, but if you want to carry a gun at all, you're ahead when it comes to rare self defense circumstances.
I think that analogy further falls apart when you consider the risk factors involved. The risk from AIWB is that my boogerhook will pull the trigger, or that through further negligence I would allow a foreign object (part of a clothing item in particular) to enter the trigger guard during reholstering).
For it to be a fair comparison to motorcycles, you'd have to have a bunch of idiots constantly moving their hands around your pistol chaotically, as is the case with motorcycles in traffic. I know plenty of people that got rear ended, or sideswiped, or otherwise impacted by people doing their dumb stuff around them, through no fault of their own. The great part of carrying AIWB is that you are entirely responsible for your own safety, for once you don't need to worry about the other idiots on the road.
