cyphertext
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It really doesn't take much effort when the box holds 500 rounds or more. I've built up mine mostly from ordering from Cabelas.com earlier in the year, and it was limited to one box per customer.
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It really doesn't take much effort when the box holds 500 rounds or more. I've built up mine mostly from ordering from Cabelas.com earlier in the year, and it was limited to one box per customer.
Back when I started shooting .22 as well as center fire in competition, it was considered normal to buy a case at a time. Cases then were 10,000 rounds. I started by trying various brands to see which one worked best from a bench rest then went on to buy by the case. It was not unusual to have 15 to 20 thousand rounds of various ammo on hand for all the guns we used. When you practice a couple times a week and go to various matches you need that amount to keep shooting. Since I've reached retirement, I find I can't compete but still have a tendency to "hoard".
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I agree
I'm 66 years old, I have a couple thousand rounds assorted .22. And that's it. If I see some for sale I might buy 100 rounds or so but I WILL NOT HOARD! Because by doing so I am just making it harder for new shooters (who are the future of the shooting sports and the protection of the Second Amendment) to get ammo for their practice.
I already know how to shoot. I don't need to shoot many rounds of .22 every week. But youngsters need to practice.
Everyone needs to stop hoarding and stop this insane congratulation business when yet another person makes it harder for new shooters to join our sport.
I am sorry, but I see what most will not discuss - a prime example of why many of us can not buy a single box of 22 ammo!!In the area that I live, I have been only been able to buy one brick in the last 2 years! I have stood in line many times, but am always beat out by gunshow sellers that want to sell me the $20 brick they just bought for $80! Why can they do this? Because of mass hoarding.
Hoarders are not considering the fact that many shooters can not but ammo for their use because others have 10,000+ rounds in their homes.
To put a cap on my rant - our club has an annual youth fun shoot, plus a 4H Firearms Training Course this summer and have not been able to find any 22 ammo for the events. Over the years, the kids have shot a thousand rounds every year at each event, but this year it will be pellet guns.
I'm 66 years old, I have a couple thousand rounds assorted .22. And that's it. If I see some for sale I might buy 100 rounds or so but I WILL NOT HOARD! Because by doing so I am just making it harder for new shooters (who are the future of the shooting sports and the protection of the Second Amendment) to get ammo for their practice.
I already know how to shoot. I don't need to shoot many rounds of .22 every week. But youngsters need to practice.
Everyone needs to stop hoarding and stop this insane congratulation business when yet another person makes it harder for new shooters to join our sport.
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cyphertext
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So, by your own admission here, you don't shoot .22lr much, you already have a stash of a couple thousand rounds, and you continue to buy when you see it for sale.... Wouldn't that be "HOARDING"?
The ammo "have nots" just don't seem to get it... their lack of ammo isn't due to someone else's buying habits... It is due to their own. There are so many resources available to find ammo at reasonable prices available, yet people would rather whine and complain than use them. They expect to just walk into the store and it be on the shelf waiting for them. If you continue with that way of thinking, you will be looking for ammo for a long time.
How many of you complaining about a lack of ammo watch the ammo availability thread in the M&P 15-22 forum? One of the best resources I have had for finding ammo.
How many of you use the Walmart app, to see when your local store has ammo in stock? Yes, you would have to go to the store early in the AM, but if the "HOARDERS" can do it, you can too... and don't say "but I have to be at work", because I haven't met a shooter yet that works 7 days a week.
It is out there, you just have to change how you go about finding it. I still have not paid more than $.06 per round, for any bulk ammo that I have purchased.
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The thread on the 15-22 forum is how I have purchased .22lr at reasonable prices (< .10/rnd)
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Here's the point. My round count is gradually diminishing, not increasing. And I am not concerned. When it gets down to 500, I'll shoot a lot whole lot less.
I don't consider that hoarding behavior. I am willing to accept the fact that I will shoot fewer rounds of .22 from here on out and that's okay if it leaves more for others who need the practice more than me.
I stress again, if young shooters can't find ammo, the shooting sports and the Second Amendment will suffer.
Think about it.
Here's the point. My round count is gradually diminishing, not increasing. And I am not concerned. When it gets down to 500, I'll shoot a lot whole lot less.
I don't consider that hoarding behavior. I am willing to accept the fact that I will shoot fewer rounds of .22 from here on out and that's okay if it leaves more for others who need the practice more than me.
I stress again, if young shooters can't find ammo, the shooting sports and the Second Amendment will suffer.
Think about it.
Come on now, yall know its quantity over quality. Keep on blasting away.
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Haven't thought about buying .22 in quite a while. After reading this thread, think I'll stop by the wally, academy and cabelas and buy as much as I can carry. I'll bury it in the back yard for later. 
cyphertext
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I'll stress again that "young shooters" don't have issues finding ammo... they use the internet. Guess you didn't read my post... easier to blame someone else for their actions vs. your own inaction.
It works out to about $6.25 a box. I like to shoot 500 .22s a week but at that price my need and my like to shoot is going down on my list of priorities. Larry
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Might try getting the folks involved with the youth events at your club to subscribe to the ammo thread in the 1522 section. A lot if it is pricey but you'll find some reasonably priced (relatively speaking) ammo there too. In the past year there have been about 8,000 postings each with links to in stock 22lr. It's a popular thread showing over three million views.
Fair enough. I myself have a self imposed limit on my match ammo of 15 cents a round plus shipping but if I want to continue I'm going to have to pay a higher price. I know that. That's just the way it is today. I can't change it but I'm still getting value for my money. I'm at the range sharing a hobby with friends and having one heck of a good time. Is it worth it to spend a little more for that experience, you bet. The benefit far exceedes the additional increase in the price of ammo. Everyone of you know this to be true. So buy the ammo and have a good time with it at the range. Trust me you won't be sorry you did.
Absolutely! I came to the end of a box of primers last week and had the receipt in there for $19.99. You never know what it'll cost in the future but a good assumption is -more.
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Using the a internet is the key.
Just in the last three or four months and only from the ammo thread I have ordered from Cabela's two 1k packs (4bricks) under $30/brick delivered, two bricks of Rem GB under $30/brick delivered. From Midway two bricks of Aguila $40/brick delivered, one brick of CCI SV $40 delivered. Widener's two bricks of American Eagle Suppressor $45/brick delivered.
Again, that's just from the ammo thread. Not counting Midway notifications and preorders. Using discount codes and combining other purchases on the same order makes things not quite as painful as some think.
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Gander Mtn has 525 pack Remington GB in stock $24.99 + $5 shipping and there's been a link in the ammo thread for an hour. If the folks in the club involved with the youth shooting subscribed to the ammo thread as suggested a few days ago y'all should have plenty of ammo for the kids now.
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Won't happen. Its way to easy to point fingers and blame someone for their troubles than to actually deal with the problem they are faced with.
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Maybe Glowe will update the thread. He said he had not been able to buy a brick of 22s in two years and the kids in youth shooting had nothing. So maybe he and all the adults involved did subscribe to the ammo thread, got a ding on their smartphones late last night and all got a brick at $24.99. It's only been 72 hours since Glowe asked for suggestions. That's sounds a lot better than striking out for two years. Now if they chose not to... that pretty well ends the gripe, or at least ends my paying attention to requests for help finding in stock .22lr at reasonable prices. We'll see.
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For once, I was in the right place at the right time when Gander Mountain came up, but every time I tried to log in, a big ole yellow warning page popped up on my tablet, and I missed out. C'est la vie, as they say, maybe next time.
We are getting a Gander Mountain next year which means someone will finally be carrying reloading supplies. Can't wait but it is way over on the other side of town. I'll make opening day but that's it. Way to much traffic to deal with but I do hope that they do well enough that they build one on my side of town
I like the term "accidental hoarding". I did it myself without particularly thinking about it.
Back in the day I usually didn't walk into a gun shop without buying a brick of 22 LR ammunition. I figured I was going to be playing with my .22s, rifles and pistols, and needed ammunition. Then I stopped playing with .22s. Not deliberately; it just happened. So do I have 4000 rounds of .22LR in the house? More or less, yes.
But I did the same thing for my Springfield M1A. The Internet was new (anybody remember those days?) and I'd routinely explore it for high grade, mil-spec ammunition in 7.62 NATO. I'm not sure how much I bought. Personal issues erupted; the M1A is brand new in its box, all TRW internal parts, at least 4000 rounds available, maybe more, I really have no idea, it's all in a storeroom, I doubt it's less than 4000, and a quarter of a century has passed by. That was not my actual plan! So I like the tem accidental hoarding!
I admit I have hundreds of rounds available for my hunting rifles and other toys, .30-30, .308, .375 Winchester, .45-70, .25-35, 12 gauge, 16 gauge, etc., but that's not hoarding, that's just shopping! I must apologize for the fact, however, that my "shopping" for .223/5.56 NATO for my M4 (every sale that I saw, actually!), whilst paying NO ATTENTION to the fact that I was not shooting it all that much, resulted in accidental hoarding. I have no idea how many rounds I have for that puppy but I bet it's more than a thousand and could approach a couple of thousand - and when I realized it I wrote to one of my very best friends and I said, "If you hear me mention that I am buying ammunition JUST SHOOT ME!!!!"
So I apologize publicly for the accidental hoarding! And I did sell a full ammo box, maybe 500 rounds, of .45 ACP when I dumped my 1911s - I wasn't deliberately going to hoard them; I have a few boxes of .45 ACP for when I want to shoot my CS-45 but hoarding the rest was ridiculous.
The foregoing does NOT include .38 Special or 9mm - I am always on the lookout for that stuff; I shoot it ALL THE TIME! It's hard to hoard what you're sending down range in quantity!~
***GRJ***
Back in the day I usually didn't walk into a gun shop without buying a brick of 22 LR ammunition. I figured I was going to be playing with my .22s, rifles and pistols, and needed ammunition. Then I stopped playing with .22s. Not deliberately; it just happened. So do I have 4000 rounds of .22LR in the house? More or less, yes.
But I did the same thing for my Springfield M1A. The Internet was new (anybody remember those days?) and I'd routinely explore it for high grade, mil-spec ammunition in 7.62 NATO. I'm not sure how much I bought. Personal issues erupted; the M1A is brand new in its box, all TRW internal parts, at least 4000 rounds available, maybe more, I really have no idea, it's all in a storeroom, I doubt it's less than 4000, and a quarter of a century has passed by. That was not my actual plan! So I like the tem accidental hoarding!
I admit I have hundreds of rounds available for my hunting rifles and other toys, .30-30, .308, .375 Winchester, .45-70, .25-35, 12 gauge, 16 gauge, etc., but that's not hoarding, that's just shopping! I must apologize for the fact, however, that my "shopping" for .223/5.56 NATO for my M4 (every sale that I saw, actually!), whilst paying NO ATTENTION to the fact that I was not shooting it all that much, resulted in accidental hoarding. I have no idea how many rounds I have for that puppy but I bet it's more than a thousand and could approach a couple of thousand - and when I realized it I wrote to one of my very best friends and I said, "If you hear me mention that I am buying ammunition JUST SHOOT ME!!!!"
So I apologize publicly for the accidental hoarding! And I did sell a full ammo box, maybe 500 rounds, of .45 ACP when I dumped my 1911s - I wasn't deliberately going to hoard them; I have a few boxes of .45 ACP for when I want to shoot my CS-45 but hoarding the rest was ridiculous.
The foregoing does NOT include .38 Special or 9mm - I am always on the lookout for that stuff; I shoot it ALL THE TIME! It's hard to hoard what you're sending down range in quantity!~
***GRJ***
Have been resisting posting more, since I really have little use for people who assume that this is our fault and attribute no blame on those who store 20,000 rounds plus in the basement and think it is humorous and worth bragging about on the Forum. I would guess that ladyT has lots of 22 ammo in her possession and will still buy every bucket and box that they run across in the future. Lastly, those who have no compassion or just do not care about others, are not worth my effort to explain our situation and position, plus the last thing they would think of doing is offering any of their precious hoard.
Phil – we have gotten several members together and all have loaned ammo for the shoot. No one has large quantities, but we will do what is needed to get through this year's shoot. Someday, the club will be able to buy enough ammo to replace that loaned by our generous members. Remember, we only had 2 months to come up with alternatives and none of us are all that savvy in finding ammo online, so this was the best option. I have tried every source suggested and thank those who put up some reasonably priced options and every site was sold out by the time I got online, the latest being your suggestion of Gander Mountain.
If hoarding stopped today, the shelves in most stores would be full of 22 ammo for everyone and price gouging would end.
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Glad to hear you and the kids have not run out. Keep an eye on that ammo thread. Never know when an in stock opportunity will pop up and they don't usually last long.
Cheers
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Sorry, but I have to address this... LadyT, Phil, myself, and many others have ammo because we have worked to obtain it. You are still blaming others for your lack of action. The youth groups that I work with have ammo to shoot, due to my efforts to obtain it for them, so the blame does land squarely on your club's shoulders. "Hoarders" have not kept me from obtaining ammo. Are you using the Walmart App, or BrassBadger to find ammo at your local Walmart, in addition to watching the ammo thread? Are you trying sites like Gander Mountain, Bass Pro, or Cabela's on a whim at random times to see if you get lucky? Are you using gunbot.net with an alarm set for any new deals at your price threshold or less? You shouldn't expect to hit a home run the first time out... there are lots of folks looking for ammo just like you.
Gun club members have "loaned" ammo for a youth shoot? Wow, sounds like a crappy gun club that doesn't care about supporting the sport to me... yet you make comments like "plus the last thing they would think of doing is offering any of their precious hoard" above about strangers on the net.
Instead of whining about "hoarders", it would be far more productive for you to say that you are trying to find ammo for some youth shooting events this summer, and can anyone give you some leads or share how to use the internet and apps to find ammo. With a little effort, two months can locate quite a bit of ammo. It might not be all the same, but at least the kids could shoot.
I read an article where one of the ammo execs said that they have almost a 2 yr backlog on ammo orders. As you know, CMP has a year wait for ammo orders... none of that is going away overnight.
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Im going to have to strongly disagree with you. For every time two "hoarders" stop buying .22s there are two or more to pick up where they left off. It won't stop atleast for a while. If you were to spend any time at a local walmart Youd see what I mean
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Not whining, just stating facts. I have just seen way too many posters on many forums proud their massive collections of 22 ammo. I thank all who have sent ideas and links, but unfortunately it has just added to the frustration, having each and every link out of stock by the time I got there.
Our club is a CMP club and when we ordered, we were promised that the ammo would be delivered in 6 months - didn't happen and that's water over the bridge now. The ammo issue is also over for this shoot, but we have to start dealing with next year right now and that stinks.
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Cyphertext - I read your post but sounds like you are unable to grasp my point. Let me be clear. I don't give a hoot if I never buy another round of .22 for myself, but it's my wish that kids and new shooters should have an easier time getting what they need to learn how to shoot.
Wouldn't you agree it would be a better state of affairs if folks DIDN'T have to search the internet for .22 but could count on being able to find some at the LGS?
To illustrate, I was working with some youngsters in the local 4-H shooting club yesterday and thinking how different it is nowadays compared to when I was coming up. We never had to worry back then about picking up some .22 when Dad took us shooting. It was always on the shelf at just about any hardware store not to mention the local gun shop.
But now these youngsters or their Dads have to surf the net to locate some .22 and you think that is okay? Give me a break!
I'll just say it one last time and quit my rant.
IF everyone would stop this insane hoarding, supply would return to normal. It's as simple as that.
I encourage everyone to stop buying ammo they don't need. Behave like a rational consumer and we'll all be better off.
Cyphertext - I read your post but sounds like you are unable to grasp my point. Let me be clear. I don't give a hoot if I never buy another round of .22 for myself, but it's my wish that kids and new shooters should have an easier time getting what they need to learn how to shoot.
Wouldn't you agree it would be a better state of affairs if folks DIDN'T have to search the internet for .22 but could count on being able to find some at the LGS?
To illustrate, I was working with some youngsters in the local 4-H shooting club yesterday and thinking how different it is nowadays compared to when I was coming up. We never had to worry back then about picking up some .22 when Dad took us shooting. It was always on the shelf at just about any hardware store not to mention the local gun shop.
But now these youngsters or their Dads have to surf the net to locate some .22 and you think that is okay? Give me a break!
I'll just say it one last time and quit my rant.
IF everyone would stop this insane hoarding, supply would return to normal. It's as simple as that.
I encourage everyone to stop buying ammo they don't need. Behave like a rational consumer and we'll all be better off.
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Actually, I think this can be a good opportunity for kids to learn the value of being prepared. Better they learn this real life lesson with a .22 ammo shortage than a food shortage.
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Sure, it would be great if .22lr was back on the shelves, and I could just stop in and get a box on the way to the range. But that isn't the reality right now, and there is really no end in sight.
You interpret my telling people to use the internet as liking current conditions... to use your words, "Give me a break!". I sat on the sidelines and didn't shoot .22lr for almost a year because I couldn't find ammo locally. I kept hearing, it will come back, this is temporary... well, it didn't. So I finally quit whining and complaining, and started looking for ways to get ammo. I found that there was ammo available, at typical retail pricing... I've only purchased from two vendors, Cabelas.com and my local Walmart stores. Even limiting myself to these two sources, I have been able to obtain ammo to keep our Boy Scout troop and our Venturing Crew shooting, plus my own shooting as well.
So, you can complain about "hoarding" and not buy anymore ammo... that is your prerogative. Me, I'm going to keep enough ammo on hand that I can continue to shoot and have enough time to replenish what I have used before I run out again.
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