UncleEd
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Yeah, it's a shame the prosecution got caught in an illegal act prompting a "with prejudice" dismissal.
Alec Baldwin cops a walk
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There is always going to be a question in the back of everyone's mind. As far as I am concerned, just one more actor whose work I will never watch again. The Hollywood ship has a hole in it and it is slowly sinking. Think I'll grab some popcorn.
BKLooney
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I was shocked...shocked I tell you...yeah nah..
kamloops67
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I think we should just take it as a lesson , just one more reinforcement of ACTS & PROVE
A life was lost , more lives destroyed over a sad case of preventable negligence .
Just make double sure we never succumb to laziness or become too comfortable with our responsibilities .
A life was lost , more lives destroyed over a sad case of preventable negligence .
Just make double sure we never succumb to laziness or become too comfortable with our responsibilities .
Completely the fault of the prosecuting attorney, who did not want to submit potentially exculpatory evidence. Whether the sample of rounds would have made a difference in the outcome is irrelevant. What is relevant is the omission of the evidence. I expect the previously convicted armorer will now be getting a new trial.
smoothshooter
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I'm not surprised at all. Our justice system is all about money. Justice has very little to do with it.
Baldwin was already known for being, well forum rules won't let me say it, shall we say difficult? He will no longer be remembered as the actor or star of this movie or that TV show. From now on he'll always be the idiot who's carelessness killed a woman. His career is done. Nobody in Hollywood wants anything to do with him. Even if he does get another role, nobody will go see him and the movie will flop. From what I understand, he had a huge amount of money tied up in "Rust".
Then there's the lawyer fees and I'm sure there will be civil suits. He may well go into bankruptcy. He's likely to spend the rest of his days broke and scorned. For someone like him, that's much worse than prison.
I don’t think he will suffer many negative repercussions from the shooting, other than having to fork over a lot of money (which he undoubtedly has).
Within a couple of years, most people will have forgotten about the whole thing.
I know that if I was ever on trial, I would want the judge to make sure legal procedures were followed and my rights respected rather than cave to public outcry.
I nave no respect for Baldwin.
I won't ever watch anything he is in.
I have immense respect for the law. But I have seen it circumvented and prostituted in countless ways. Clearly our system of justice is terrible - until one compares it with all the others.
A current, egregious example is the proliferation of Soros-supported district attorneys. Our system was designed to be adversarial. It can't do so when there are two defense counsels and no prosecutors.
Despite its defects. it is all we have.
Somehow, despite age and experience, I still have ideals. I respect our constitution. I revere our blindfolded lady of justice.
With all its faults it is all we have.
So I reject the accusations posted here, accusations based on emotional speculation without supportive factual documentation, that the fix was in, that 'money changed hands', etc, etc.
I think the judge made the right decision. The prosecution had, in my observation, tainted the case irreversibly. The buck stopped with the prosecution. Defense counsel made their case for dismissal. That is what defense counsel is supposed to do. That is how the adversarial system is supposed to work.
One thing I have been curious about from the start, and now will never know, is whether or not Baldwin would have been convicted by the jury. Using Ca law as a reference, PC #s 192 et seq, since it is familiar to me, I just don't see the prosecution being able to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, the elements to convict Baldwin.
I think the blindfolded lady got it right.
And I am keeping my ideals.
I won't ever watch anything he is in.
I have immense respect for the law. But I have seen it circumvented and prostituted in countless ways. Clearly our system of justice is terrible - until one compares it with all the others.
A current, egregious example is the proliferation of Soros-supported district attorneys. Our system was designed to be adversarial. It can't do so when there are two defense counsels and no prosecutors.
Despite its defects. it is all we have.
Somehow, despite age and experience, I still have ideals. I respect our constitution. I revere our blindfolded lady of justice.
With all its faults it is all we have.
So I reject the accusations posted here, accusations based on emotional speculation without supportive factual documentation, that the fix was in, that 'money changed hands', etc, etc.
I think the judge made the right decision. The prosecution had, in my observation, tainted the case irreversibly. The buck stopped with the prosecution. Defense counsel made their case for dismissal. That is what defense counsel is supposed to do. That is how the adversarial system is supposed to work.
One thing I have been curious about from the start, and now will never know, is whether or not Baldwin would have been convicted by the jury. Using Ca law as a reference, PC #s 192 et seq, since it is familiar to me, I just don't see the prosecution being able to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, the elements to convict Baldwin.
I think the blindfolded lady got it right.
And I am keeping my ideals.
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Baldwin pointed a real, loaded gun at a person. To me, that ammo discussion was a squirrel. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference what ammunition was in the gun. It was loaded. Period. Even if he didn't pull the trigger as he claimed, and it discharged just the same, that type of gun had to have the hammer cocked by someone, most likely the person holding it - Baldwin, for it to discharge. Pointing a real gun at someone, without checking the loaded/unloaded status, is grossly negligent behavior, and if the pointee dies, it's homicide. Just pointing a real gun at someone, even if confirmed unloaded, is stupid behavior.
The Fix was in.
The Fix was in.
And the “special prosecutors” get to go to the beach today.
Other than Nifong how many have been disbarred?
Other than Nifong how many have been disbarred?
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All things being equal, who has a better chance of walking in criminal court, a person with lots money and high priced lawyers or a person with a public defender?
Money talks. It's been that way all through history. Again, we have the best justice system money can buy.
Money talks. It's been that way all through history. Again, we have the best justice system money can buy.
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Easily the best and most sensible post.
Grayfox
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Or how about Robert Blake?
A career ruined, a fortune gone, reputation destroyed and forever remembered as a murderer.
The same will happen to Baldwin.
LVSteve
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Ματθιας;142032057 said:
I think the office runner that brings the coffee and pizza in a law practice could have argued this disclosure foul up. No large amount of money was required, just eyes to see.
Rodan
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The box of ammunition in question was provided to the Sheriff's office over 2 years after the incident, and after examination, did not match the live ammo that was found at the scene. There is no chain of custody, and it appears no sworn testimony was taken as to its provenance.
While the prosecution should have disclosed the information, they already had live ammo recovered from the set, so I'm not seeing how this new 'mystery' ammo would have been in any way exculpatory for Baldwin.
While the prosecution should have disclosed the information, they already had live ammo recovered from the set, so I'm not seeing how this new 'mystery' ammo would have been in any way exculpatory for Baldwin.
^ This.
So this box of ammo shows up two years after the fact in the hands of a “Good Samaritan” with zero provenance / chain of custody and is admitted as evidence. And we wonder why people distrust the system.
There is NO way he should have skated. Never EVER point a gun at someone you don't want to shoot.
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