ALL ACTIVE DUTY MEMBERS HEADS UP!!!!

[roundgunner]

Okay everyone, what can you make of this... why is my skin crawling?
Has this ever been SOP ?


ALL ACTIVE DUTY MEMBERS HEADS UP!!!!
Feb 13, 2009
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44015
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Gentlemen,

I am an 11B currently assigned at Fort Campbell. I live off post, with my firearms(which I don't bring on post for any reason). A very frightening thing happened at work yesterday. I was ordered to fill out a list containing my firearm information. This included make, model, caliber, and serial number of all firearms I currently posses. In addition, I was also required to list registration information, location of all weapons individually, and information regarding any CCW permits I posses. If you are like me, then the people you work with know you have firearms. So I had to list at least some. I tried to talk to my 1sg(who is normally aproachable through proper channels) to find out what this is for, and I was basically told, "I don't give a !&@%, just put your info on the form." I don't know how high this goes, but I am hearing that this is going on in other units at Fort Campbell as well. It just seems alittle coincidental to me that within 90 days: the most anti-firearm President in history is inaugurated, some of the nastiest anti-firearm laws are put on the table in Washington, and then the Army comes around wanting what amounts to a registration on all firearms, even if they are off post, and doesn't provide any reason or purpose as to why. I fear something really nasty is blowing in the wind here. I have been in almost 8 years, and never have any of my units asked for this information. If any of you out there have any info as to what all this crap is about please chime in.

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[billhud]

Me thinks a Battalion Commander and Company Commander, or perhaps the Garrison Commander or CG, may have their heads handed to them.

A CG at Hood once tried something similar to this. A few Senators has a few choice words.

If I were currently assigned to Fort Campbell, I'd first contact some gun friendly members of the Seante, and fax them the memo.

 

[Lenshappy]

Man, and I thought Ft. Polk (Puke) was bad...

 

[reste]

Fellow members,
We need to do more to protect our 2nd Ammendent
The Assault Weapons ban designates just about anything as illegal to buy.
I will see if I can attach the bill to this post. If not, google HR 1022 IH. Let's not allow this bill to get passed in Congress.

 

[feralmerril]

I am dumb as I have never been in the military.
Question. If you are military and live off base, do they have the right to arbitarly without reason given to just come and search your off base quarters?

 

[OKFC05]

Originally posted by feralmerril:
I am dumb as I have never been in the military.
Question. If you are military and live off base, do they have the right to arbitarly without reason given to just come and search your off base quarters?

There is a right way and a wrong way.
Right way is with probable cause, specific search warrant etc.

Wrong way is illegal order that gets evidence tossed for prosecution and Commander issuing such order relieved of Command. My personal opinion is that this one sounds like a real boner if done as stated.

As a military commander, I always acted on judicial matters with the advice and coordination of the staff lawyer (JAG) and my higher commander. Off base, we always cooperated with local civilian LE.

 

[liamsw]

I think Billhud has it right. I looked at the memo on that forum, and it was done at the company level ... some company commander probably got overzealous executing our current Army-wide suicide prevention push. If there was anything going on Army wide, I'd have seen it.

Liam

 

[billhud]

Originally posted by liamsw:
I think Billhud has it right. I looked at the memo on that forum, and it was done at the company level ... some company commander probably got overzealous executing our current Army-wide suicide prevention push. If there was anything going on Army wide, I'd have seen it.

Liam

The 11-bang bang did say it was occurring elsewhere on post. Even the MPs at the Provost Marshal had to comply. It's likely bigger than the company commander. I'd be calling Senators.

 

[S42N8]

Best to check this with the post SJA. Probably unenforceable, as it establishes a federal gun registration list in violation of 18 USC 926 (2) (a). Bucking the order may be painful... I'd suggest verifying that this is legit, and if so, provide a copy of the US Code section to the SJA and copy all to your Congresspersons.

 

[capttxrngr]

Actually Army regulations require all military to register firearms with the provost marshall whether living on post or off. The only reason I do it is that I live on post now. Before I would say they belong to my wife and she was not in the military so was nothing they could do. Also military commanders are required to do a health and welfare check on their soldiers wherever they live. Most don't and have no idea what kind of living conditions their soldiers live in.But yes this could be a knee jerk response due to high suicide rate in the Army.

 

[billhud]

Originally posted by capttxrngr:
Actually Army regulations require all military to register firearms with the provost marshall whether living on post or off.

Care to tell us which regulation requires post/installatiomn registration of privately held arms stored in privately owned/rented residences off-post?

In two and one-half decades serving throughout the Army (some as units' commander), I never saw it and have yet to see it. Please tell me what regulation requires a soldier living in an off-post private residence and having arms in that private residence to register those arms at unit, post/installation, or any other level. Only private arms on an installation must be registered on that installation.

Not long ago, a CG at Fort Hood had his ass handed to him for trying the same. The Senate had to tell DOD and DA to rein him in. He was reined in, and he quickly changed his tune regarding registration of private arms stored off-post.

If you cite the regulation, I'll extract that portion of the regulation from USAPA and post it here.

 

[billhud]

And understand that AR 190-11, as pertains to privately owned firearms, only applied to privately onwned firearms on the post/installation.

 

[mtb1bkr]

I know there's nothing like this going on in the Marine Corps. I once had a 1stSgt tell me that I couldn't have a CC permit. I "kindly" informed him that I already have one and I will use it whenever I legally can. He got pi$$ed, but he went away and never brought it up again.

Now, if they tried to tell me I had to let them know all of the guns I own I would tell them to stick it while I elevated the problem to a higher level, such as the senate.

Bill

 

[nn]

This is the Doggy Corps answer to the modern day shell shocked syndrome. They now can just go clean things before they get dirty if a shrink classifies you as shell shocked.

 

[imjin138]

I remember when it happened at Ft. Hood, I wasn't there but it made the news. The only time I had o register anything was when I was in Berlin and lived in Quarters.

Every where else I lived off post and never told them I had anything. I was at Campbell for a long time in the 80's and never had to register anything.

 

[armybass]

Originally posted by billhud:

Originally posted by capttxrngr:
Actually Army regulations require all military to register firearms with the provost marshall whether living on post or off.

Care to tell us which regulation requires post/installatiomn registration of privately held arms stored in privately owned/rented residences off-post?

Don't know the reg but I had to do it on Ft Lee and Ft Drum. Nothing new here. Now it happened to me when I lived on post, but they never gave it back to me when I moved off post.

 

[wheelgun1958]

Best to check this with the post SJA.

 

[GRT3031]

Mandatory firearms registration has been going on for the past 24 years at least. Nothing new, and they don't need any regulation to support it. They being the Garrison Commander. When Officers make O-6, they really start worrying about that next promotion, and everything their subordinates might due to derail that is mitigated the best they can.

 

[billhud]

Originally posted by armybass:

Originally posted by billhud:

Originally posted by capttxrngr:
Actually Army regulations require all military to register firearms with the provost marshall whether living on post or off.

Care to tell us which regulation requires post/installatiomn registration of privately held arms stored in privately owned/rented residences off-post?

Don't know the reg but I had to do it on Ft Lee and Ft Drum. Nothing new here. Now it happened to me when I lived on post, but they never gave it back to me when I moved off post.

That reg is AR 190-11 and does NOT apply to privately held/owned firearms off post. You lived on post and stored your firearms on post at Ft Lee and Ft Drum.

Had you not lived on post or had you not had weapons in your on post quarters you'd not have been required to register them on post.

 

[sparkgap]

WEAPONS OF CHOICE
Military demands details on soldiers' private guns
Fort Campbell command reversed under pressure

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Posted: March 21, 2009
12:15 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A military commander at Fort Campbell in Kentucky demanded his soldiers give him the registration numbers of any guns they own privately and then reveal where they are stored.

The order was stopped, according to base officials, when it was discovered the commander was not "acting within his authority."

The original order was issued on the letterhead of Charlie Company, 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment and said effective March 11, any soldier with a "privately owned weapon" was required to submit the information, along with any information about any concealed carry permit the soldier may have, and what state issued the permit.

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Further, the rule warned, "If any soldier comes into possession of a Privately Owned Weapon following the effective date of this memorandum, he is required to inform the Chain of Command of the above information."

One soldier who objected to the demands circulated the memo, commenting that he lives off post.

"It just seems a little coincidental to me that within 90 days the most anti-firearm president in history is inaugurated, some of the nastiest anti-firearm laws are put on the table in Washington, and then the Army comes around wanting what amounts to a registration on all firearms, even if they are off post, and doesn't provide any reason or purpose as to why," the soldier said.