old pipefitter
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Who else has read about Alliant suspending shipments of all there powders. I resd it on Ammoland. And Alliant said its because of shortages of raw materials namely Nitrocelluose
Alliant powders what gives ?
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Got word of the limited availability about three months ago. Alliant Unique plant in Canada IIRC was transitioning over to fulfill an artillery propellant contract, and the rep advised of the pressure on raw material in their European manufacturing sector. I laid into a big supply of the sole remaining Alliant powder I use despite my Vistaphobia. Relieved I hit it before the price increase.
Despite reading about it online, nothing is noted on the Alliant website. I've not seen any manufacturer confirmation at all.
Despite reading about it online, nothing is noted on the Alliant website. I've not seen any manufacturer confirmation at all.
venomballistics
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Alliant is a Vista outdoors company.
That's what gives.
That's what gives.
It was announced on Powder Valley FB page
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FYI – we have just received the following message from Vista Outdoors (the parent company of Alliant Powders):
“Due to the worldwide shortage of nitrocellulose, the Vista Outdoor supply agreement for the sale of Alliant Powder canisters has been suspended for an unknown period. At this time, we have no timeline for the fulfillment and will be canceling outstanding Alliant orders in our system.
Representatives will provide updates and coordinate new orders based on availability.”
On another forum it was verified by a member who contacted Alliant//
I also find it strange that nothing was said by other companies like Hodgdon??
It's not like Alliant is the only one using nitro??
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FYI – we have just received the following message from Vista Outdoors (the parent company of Alliant Powders):
“Due to the worldwide shortage of nitrocellulose, the Vista Outdoor supply agreement for the sale of Alliant Powder canisters has been suspended for an unknown period. At this time, we have no timeline for the fulfillment and will be canceling outstanding Alliant orders in our system.
Representatives will provide updates and coordinate new orders based on availability.”
On another forum it was verified by a member who contacted Alliant//
I also find it strange that nothing was said by other companies like Hodgdon??
It's not like Alliant is the only one using nitro??
venomballistics
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Exactly....
Hodgdon delivers while nearly every vista company makes excuses
Hodgdon delivers while nearly every vista company makes excuses
twodog max
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I read months ago about a worldwide nitrocellulose shortage. Got flamed a little on here for posting such. Now anyone who pays attention to powder prices and now announced shortages or unavailability has seen those chickens come home to roost.
In the words of my long deceased hunting buddy Phil " cheer up it will get worse"
In the words of my long deceased hunting buddy Phil " cheer up it will get worse"
.38SuperMan
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I was looking for Bullseye and called a good size reloading supplier not far from me and they said powder in general is getting hard to get. I’ve also noticed some of the go to places I’ve bought at have only a few canisters on the shelves.
I started searching the internet and found some at Midsouth Shootrrs Supply with no hasmat this weekend and bought what I needed. Fortunately I have a pretty big supply of everything I use now.
I started searching the internet and found some at Midsouth Shootrrs Supply with no hasmat this weekend and bought what I needed. Fortunately I have a pretty big supply of everything I use now.
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venomballistics
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I don't think that's entirely the case.
If we look at product availability, Alliant has very few in stock at powder valley.
In contrast the Hodgdon owned brands are mostly in stock. Yeah, hodgdon is coming up a little bit short too, but they are getting products to the shelves.
Vista outdoors doesn't seem to bother... No surprise, they are largely anti gun, and use their ownership as a means of gun control.
I believe that any 'shortages'....
... are MANUFACTURED shortages.
Anything to keep the prices high.
... are MANUFACTURED shortages.
Anything to keep the prices high.
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MSSS has been my goto since Covid. They have inflation prices now, but not gouging.
When the 6:00 News uttered the word "Pandemic" in 2020, I suspected a problem in the offing. MSSS had a sale that day and I bought a supply. A check 3 days later showed everything out of stock. I'm still using their $28 primers and $30 Bullseye because I planned ahead.
Funny thing.....Just a few hours ago I utilized their hazmat free weekend and bought a 10 year supply of powder.
(I guess I didn't need ALL of that SS check for food and gas after all)
I’m confused.
How is it possible that there are powder shortages and record high prices, while at the same time the “blast-o-holics” are blazing through piles of 9mm and 5.56 factory ammo being sold at bargain prices?
Honestly, I see the “AR” and plastic pistol guys at ranges just indiscriminately hosing away, -often just shooting at the earthen berms without even bothering to set up targets(!)-, like the purpose was to simply consume the boxes of bulk pack ammo they just bought at PSA as quickly as possible.
And, there’s nary a peep out of them anymore about “stocking up” or shortages. What gives? How is this possible?
Of course, given the fact that “brick & mortar” sporting goods and firearms retailers (the few that are left) don’t even know what reloading is, might somehow tie into all of this.
Yeah, I’ve been railing against Vista Outdoors here for a few years. But, there’s something else going on.
I don’t even recognize the shooting industry anymore.
How is it possible that there are powder shortages and record high prices, while at the same time the “blast-o-holics” are blazing through piles of 9mm and 5.56 factory ammo being sold at bargain prices?
Honestly, I see the “AR” and plastic pistol guys at ranges just indiscriminately hosing away, -often just shooting at the earthen berms without even bothering to set up targets(!)-, like the purpose was to simply consume the boxes of bulk pack ammo they just bought at PSA as quickly as possible.
And, there’s nary a peep out of them anymore about “stocking up” or shortages. What gives? How is this possible?
Of course, given the fact that “brick & mortar” sporting goods and firearms retailers (the few that are left) don’t even know what reloading is, might somehow tie into all of this.
Yeah, I’ve been railing against Vista Outdoors here for a few years. But, there’s something else going on.
I don’t even recognize the shooting industry anymore.
venomballistics
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As I understand it, Vista stays in business by doing business with governments rather than consumers.
I'm not sure how much of the nitrocellulose they produce, but obviously hodgdon is able to either produce or obtain it.
Then, as you point out, the tacticool commandos seem to rain steel with bulk pack blammo ammo at bargain prices....
Obviously, some segments of the commodity producers sell into commercial industry to produce the blammo ammo.
I've transitioned to 5.56 and 9mm for most of my recreational shooting as these are the cheapest reloadable cartridges we have to shoot at this time.
And yeah ... Despite having a progressive to rain vulgar quantities of 5.56, I can't help but bite on some of those bulk deals
I'm not sure how much of the nitrocellulose they produce, but obviously hodgdon is able to either produce or obtain it.
Then, as you point out, the tacticool commandos seem to rain steel with bulk pack blammo ammo at bargain prices....
Obviously, some segments of the commodity producers sell into commercial industry to produce the blammo ammo.
I've transitioned to 5.56 and 9mm for most of my recreational shooting as these are the cheapest reloadable cartridges we have to shoot at this time.
And yeah ... Despite having a progressive to rain vulgar quantities of 5.56, I can't help but bite on some of those bulk deals
6string I sure agree that I don't recognize the shooting industry anymore. We could fill a new thread on the shortcomings of the industry for sure.
I think our problems with propellant is outside of Winchester and Hodgdon Pyrodex - isn't everything else manufactured outside of the United States?
I think our problems with propellant is outside of Winchester and Hodgdon Pyrodex - isn't everything else manufactured outside of the United States?
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Maybe the powder shortages have not caught up with us yet and thus cheap 9 and 5.56 ammo is still available.
Maybe the blasters are rich or simply have more money than brains.
When Covid first hit everything was real cheap but it didn't take more than a few days for the "informed gun owners" to foresee what was about to happen.
Time will tell.
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I’m confused.
How is it possible that there are powder shortages and record high prices, while at the same time the “blast-o-holics” are blazing through piles of 9mm and 5.56 factory ammo being sold at bargain prices?
Honestly, I see the “AR” and plastic pistol guys at ranges just indiscriminately hosing away, -often just shooting at the earthen berms without even bothering to set up targets(!)-, like the purpose was to simply consume the boxes of bulk pack ammo they just bought at PSA as quickly as possible.
And, there’s nary a peep out of them anymore about “stocking up” or shortages. What gives? How is this possible?
Of course, given the fact that “brick & mortar” sporting goods and firearms retailers (the few that are left) don’t even know what reloading is, might somehow tie into all of this.
Yeah, I’ve been railing against Vista Outdoors here for a few years. But, there’s something else going on.
I don’t even recognize the shooting industry anymore.
Canister powders for reloaders are different from the bulk powders used in factory ammo. I've said it before, reloaders soak up the excess production capacity for these manufacturers. We are useful idiots when they have excess capacity, and thrown under the bus when they don't. It's not a conspiracy, the civilian market is just not their main customer.
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We have an incredible variety of powders today; far more than anyone needs or wants. It's all but impossible to imagine that something obtainable can't take the place of something that's unavailable. Time may be better spent doing load development with something new rather than hopelessly wait for or worry over a powder that can't be had.
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.38SuperMan
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Very smart stocking up. Midsouth used to be just up the road from me but moved a few years ago. Good folks though.
venomballistics
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I haven't seen any 5.56mm at "bargain prices". Pre-pandemic I paid $259 each for my last few cases of 1000 rounds. It's twice that now.
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By and large, I agree.
A little bit of sweat equity invested to something that is on the shelf is going to be worth our time. In fact, we may come out ahead for it.
There are a few pockets that don't quite have replacements though. 2400 comes to mind.
while we have others in this burn rate range, none are quite so forgiving.
Blue Dot had become a good friend of mine over the years for heavy shot shell, pistol and even reduced cast lead rifle loads.
I can address most of this with HS6, but no one powder has managed to completely fill it's shoes.
