Am I alone?

Well, to add my 2 cents worth,

My everyday carry is a S&W 64-5, 4 inch barrel, .38 Special.
I have wondered why the factory ammo is so mild compared to what us hand loaders can add to the cartridge.
I have hand loaded 125 gr Hollow points to the same velocity as a 9mm. Some say you can't, but if you have the right powders, you can do so safely.
Now if some think the 9mm is anemic, they need to think again.
I can load +p rounds that can produce around 446 ft-lbs of energy. No, it's not a magnum, but I bet that 140 gr bullet will settle a bad guys hash very quickly.
So, your choice of .38 Special is perfect to me.

Hawk

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Are there guns better for conceal carry than a J frame Smith? Probably that's why I bought a 13 shot Sig 365, but the J frames to me are a very classy and elegant little gun that will probably get the job done for a private citizen just fine and I like them a lot.
 
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The late great Bill Jordan said the 38 Special was the most powerful round the average man-i.e. most of us-could expect to master and if in armed encounters we could all channel Charlie Askins and Jim Cirillo we'd do OK.
No lightweight frames for me, steel only.
That said, choice of self defense caliber is very personal and IMHO range time and the Combat Mindset are what counts. The fact

Agree. I had to use my .38 three times during my 30 yr career and it did the job w/one exception: an armed robbery suspect shooting @ us while high on cocaine. It took several rounds of .38 to bring him down. In retirement I carry a J Frame w/+P or a .380 as dictated by mode of dress.
 
This "old timer" uses Winchester "Defend" 130 grain JHP .38 Special standard pressure ammo in my S&W Model 12-2.
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Everytime I've gone looking for those, ever since they came out, I could never find any. And of course, I follow the link and it's currently out of stock. Typical. :(

I can handle +P in my 642, but I'm always on the lookout for some good standard pressure defensive ammo. Right now, I have a couple boxes of Federal 125gr Nyclad HP (no longer made... :( ) and some 148gr WC.
 
Everytime I've gone looking for those, ever since they came out, I could never find any. And of course, I follow the link and it's currently out of stock. Typical. :(

I can handle +P in my 642, but I'm always on the lookout for some good standard pressure defensive ammo. Right now, I have a couple boxes of Federal 125gr Nyclad HP (no longer made... :( ) and some 148gr WC.

Yeah. Everything is pretty much out of stock, and I buy what I can when I find it. I even had to dig out several boxes of Federal 147 grain HydraShok 9mm to fill up the magazines of my new S&W SD9.
 
Yeah. Everything is pretty much out of stock, and I buy what I can when I find it. I even had to dig out several boxes of Federal 147 grain HydraShok 9mm to fill up the magazines of my new S&W SD9.

Yeah, I'm well-stocked on 147gr HST 9mm and SB-GDHP +P .38, buying boxes here and there over the last couple of years.
 
Yeah, I'm well-stocked on 147gr HST 9mm and SB-GDHP +P .38, buying boxes here and there over the last couple of years.
Watching the performance of the 147 grain HydraShoks on Lucky Gunner Labs, the best I can how for is tumbling. They have some 124 grain Gold Dots in standard and +P, but I'm not in the position to buy any right now.

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Stay Alive!

In the end, I need to come out ALIVE in encounter.

As to what to carry.....different horses for different courses

If you don't know what " course" is coming up, perhaps you should be prepared for several.

So...... you carry only ONE weapon?

And, how about different ammo in same pistol? Have you considered doing that?
Lots of perps today have bulletproof armor? You have anything for THAT "course?"

Give a LOT of thought about how YOU can come out ALIVE, and preplan accordingly.
 
I don't always EDC but when I do it's my Glock 27 .40 S&W. Makes me feel like I have a viable plan B in case my plan A (never having to use it) falls apart.

My plan C is a Redhead.
 
I don't always EDC but when I do it's my Glock 27 .40 S&W. Makes me feel like I have a viable plan B in case my plan A (never having to use it) falls apart.

My plan C is a Redhead.

You do know what the E in EDC stands for right?
 
Why use a flame thrower to start a fire when a single match will do the job? I read a lot of posts that put down the 38 Special. IMHO a 2" magnum handgun for self defence is OVERKILL squared.

Back to the OP's original question. I've argued for years, based on data on real world shoots that the .38 Special fired from a 4" revolver is a bit more effective than a .380 ACP. However in a 2" barrel, a .380 ACP in a 3.5" barrel has a slight edge.

So the question comes down to how comfortable you'd be carrying a .380 ACP? I'm more comfortable carrying a 7 or 8 round .380 ACP as a back up than I am a 5 round 1 7/8" Model 36 or a 6 round 2" Model 10.

However, my primary carry will be a 6 or 7 shot K or L frame 2 1/2" or 3" revolver with a 125 gr .357 Mag hollow point, or a 10 to 15 round 9mm with 115 gr Hollow points.

The data is clear that the .357 Magnum is better than the the .38 Special. We can argue about how much better the .357 Mag is and argue about how much ground the .38+P gains over the standard pressure .38 Special, but the fact remains that the .357 Magnum is incontrovertibly "better".

In addition, once you get to the .357 Magnum level of performance, the data also shows that nothing larger performs any better in the real world shoots.

So...

1) I agree with the OP to a point that a 2" magnum handgun LARGER than a .357 Magnum is overkill.

2) But I disagree with the OP that the .357 is overkill, or that a 2" .38 Special, even with +P loads, is a better choice than a 2 1/2" or 3" .357 Magnum.

But that's just me, because I shoot 2 1/2" and 3" .357 K and L frame revolvers really well. I will add the caveat that shot placement is key in a self defense shoot and that the best choice for concealed carry will be a handgun that you shoot really well. If that means a 1 7/8" Model 36, or a 2.125" Model 60 with standard pressure .38s then so be it.

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I'll also add that a lot of people make poor choices in the form of a J Magnum frame .357 like a Model 60 or Model 640 with .357 Magnum loads - when they don't shoot that revolver with those loads very well,or often enough to master that combination or stay current with it.

These are almost always the same shooters who do not believe in using sights in a self defense shoot and/or who don't think snub nose revolvers are capable of any kind of decent accuracy. Consequently, they just point it in the general direction of the threat and start jerking the trigger.

That'll work fine in the 90% or so of defensive handgun uses cases where just pulling a gun is sufficient without firing it.

However it won't be sufficient in the 50% or so cases where the gun is fired, the assailant is hit, and then stops just because he's been stopped (a psychological stop). Why won't it be sufficient? Because you need to hit the assailant first. In this case, the OP is 100% correct that a .38 Special would be just as effective. In fact a hit with a .38 is way more effective than a miss with a .357 Magnum.
 
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Always a .38 for me whether a cobra, dick special, 442 or model 36 3 inch. I never feel that I am undergunned or unable to protect myself.
 
It really comes down to what you can handle, and shoot the best. That being said you best be concerned about what a potential round is going to do if it exits the intended target. I have hunted white tail deer with a Marlin 1894 chambered in .357 magnum using a 180 solid point bullet on a broad side shot right behind the shoulder the bullet would usually destroy both lungs, and the heart too then it would stop just shy of exiting the skin on the opposite side. I usually cought some flack from other hunters for not using enough gun. Funny thing the deer never went more than 50 yards before piling up. I do realize this is a rifle, and a 2 inch revolver will give lower velocities, but with a proper expanding bullet I would expect a similar result on a 2 legged target. Ideally every live target we shot would have the bullet completely go through and literally drop out on the opposite side this would be the most efficient use of any rounds power completely expending all of its energy into the target. I carry what I am confident in, and practice shooting once a week with something even if it is the lowly 22lr. Practice is far more important than your caliber choice as they say a hit with a 22 is better than a miss with...well you fill in the blank. Sorry for the long reply lol.
 
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