Am I the last one to know what a 'punt' gun is?

Wine Bottle Punt

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A punt, also known as a kick-up, refers to the dimple at the bottom of a wine bottle. There is no consensus explanation for its purpose. The more commonly cited explanations include:

It is a historical remnant from the era when wine bottles were free blown using a blowpipe and pontil. This technique leaves a punt mark on the base of the bottle; by indenting the point where the pontil is attached, this scar would not scratch the table or make the bottle unstable.

It had the function of making the bottle less likely to topple over—a bottle designed with a flat bottom only needs a small imperfection to make it unstable—the dimple historically allowed for a larger margin of error.

It consolidates sediment deposits in a thick ring at the bottom of the bottle, preventing much/most of it from being poured into the glass; this may be more historical than a functional attribute, since most modern wines contain little or no sediment.

It increases the strength of the bottle, allowing it to hold the high pressure of sparkling wine/champagne.

It provides a grip for riddling a bottle of sparkling wine manually in the traditional champagne production process.

It consumes some volume of the bottle, allowing the bottle to appear larger for the same amount of wine, which may impress the purchaser.

Taverns had a steel pin set vertically in the bar. The empty bottle would be thrust bottom-end down onto this pin, puncturing a hole in the top of the punt, guaranteeing the bottle could not be refilled [folklore].

It prevents the bottle from resonating as easily, decreasing the likelihood of shattering during transportation.

It allows bottles to be more easily stacked end to end.

Bottles could be stacked in cargo holds on ships without rolling around and breaking.

It makes the bottle easier to clean prior to filling with wine. When a stream of water is injected into the bottle and impacts the punt, it is distributed throughout the bottom of the bottle and removes residues.
 
That's what I said....

It consumes some volume of the bottle, allowing the bottle to appear larger for the same amount of wine, which may impress the purchaser.

"But they say the punt is to make the bottle stronger, but I know it's just a way to gyp people out of wine they paid for."

Maybe you said it a little more eloquently.:):):)
 
'punt' seems understated.....

A 'punt' gun sounds a little anticlimactic or something. I think a term like 'Kick Off' gun or 'Field Goal' gun would be a more suitable name.

However, you learn something new every day. Another definition of 'punt' is the skiff-like boat that they use to shoot these things from. Therefore, "Gun that is made to be shot from a punt" is the real meaning of the term.

I honestly just plain didn't know that.:confused:
 
I have read much about market hunters, which is a misnomer to me as they were not hunters, they were business men of the day.

A punt gun was a large bore shotgun filled with lots of shrapnel. Like nails or even gravel mentioned above. The gun was set up much like an artillery piece. The Operator would lay flat on the gun and use shortened paddles to line up the gun on a raft of ducks. Fire the gun which recoiled violently to the rear. Bags of sea oats were placed between the butt and the transom to stop the gun. If something did not go right the transom could be knocked off causing the boat to go down quickly.

Probably none of these gents had a life preserver, had on lots of warm clothes and were hunting in very cold weather. Most probably did not survive.

I have seen one punt boat up close. It looks more like a river boat than something one would take to sea.

Another old shooting term, cutting a hole in them is from duck hunting.

Flocks were large and gents fired 10 and 8 bore shotguns from the shoulder. A hit in the middle of the flock would leave a hole.

Once while quail hunting on an older gentleman's farm he asked me to shoot at trash birds that were raiding his milo field. I was thinking a few birds, maybe 50.

I turned a corner at the end of a hedgerow and saw the milo field, immediately no less than 5000 birds took wing. I was hunting with my Browning Model 12 grade V in 28 gauge. I fired 3 times. It cut 3 holes in the flock, perfect circles. I then observed many European starlings falling. I did an about face and took my lab in the opposite direction.
 
The Virginia Game Commission used to have one in the foyer of their office on Broad Street in Richmond. I don't know if it's still there or not.

My grandfather used to tell me about shooting game for the market, I guess in the 20's or so. I don't know if it was legal then or not, but he said he used to catch the train out of Richmond, put his dogs and gun in the baggage car, then ride out into the country where he'd get the train to stop, unload the dogs and gun and "pot hunt" all day. In the evening he'd go back out to the railroad track, flag down the train, put the dogs and gun back in the baggage car and take his kill with him to the passenger car where people riding home from work would buy it from him.
 
My maternal Grandmother's father was a market hunter. There was a large slough that was between the river and the cornfields. Spring and fall he would shoot ducks morning and night. HE did not pick them up. My grandmother and her siblings went twice a day to get the ducks. They picked them and used the feathers for pillows and comforters. They sold feathers to others. They sold cleaned ducks also. She said most days they picked up a couple of gunny sacks full. A gunny sack is a 100 pound burlap feed sack.

This would have been in the 1890's to the turn of the century.

Well before federal game laws.
 
A 'punt' gun sounds a little anticlimactic or something. I think a term like 'Kick Off' gun or 'Field Goal' gun would be a more suitable name. Quoted by RW

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Ain't that sickening...

Wyoming state museum had one and the associated punt it was mounted in.

The thing disappeared when the museum removed all of the old artifacts and went to interpretive displays.

Old punt guns were reputed to kill hundreds of birds with one shot.

The very old Charleston Museum took out all of its 'politically incorrect' artifacts (read 'cool' artifacts). Things like the skeleton of the first woman to be executed by hanging here and the shrunken head. They had a real mummy on display but some idiots dismantled it, badly, as idiots are inclined to do, but they've taken that away. Now I can't point it out to my son and say, "Hey, look at that dead guy!!!" It just ain't no fun anymore.:(
 
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There's a 4 bore here in the NY State Museum believe it or not. It's longer than I am tall. My grandfather used to tell me how he rigged up an 8 gauge double to the back of a flat boat and he would cast off from the shore line and float out towards a flock of ducks. He would touch off both barrels and wipe out a bunch. This was back in the 30's during the depression and he would sell the ducks locally to the markets. They were big in those years and before when market hunting was a way to make money, the only problem is it wiped out the game until they changed the laws.
 
A little truth about punt guns

An old fellow lived near home had a punt gun. He made his last "shot" with it shortly before his death in Dec 1963. He had made me a dozen and a half fold down wing silhouette decoys.20 bucks. He asked me if I had any black powder and I said sure. Said he wanted to shoot the ol gun once more. I even gave him some #2 shot. Said he had never used "real" shot in it before. He shot on a flock of geese at the mouth of Southeast creek at the Chester River. Told me he had never taken so many birds with one shot(41). Now he was a real market gunner and in a prime waterfowl area. Now this was 1963 and I know he sold those birds... so market gunning was still going on. BTW..he had no motor for the boat..he sculled it... and he went pretty fast. I lived on the water and never learned to scull a boat well. He told me he lived by market gunning for most of his life in winter and by crabbing and fishing the spring and summer. It was not an easy life. He also told me his best night was 2 shots to take 77 Red Heads. Loved his stories. Now my waterfowl stories .I..well I'll stay out of that right now
 
The Chinese used a military equivalent generically referred to as a "jingal". They were typically wall mounted and used to defend fixed fortifications. They were seen in combat at least into the Boxer Rebellion. I wouldn't be surprised if a few Japanese soldiers got on the wrong side of one in the '30s and '40s.

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Theres not a Shoulder Pad in the world that would get Me to shoot This.

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I'm familiar with punt guns as I read lots of old duck hunting books and they were featured in most of them. Those old market hunters did live a hard life but did what they could to make a living.
I remember too a meeting of my old duck club and one of the members brought in brass cartridges of old 4 gauge and similar rounds. Until you hold one in your hand and look at them close you really can't understand how big they were and can just imagine the recoil from them.
 
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