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For me, too much manipulation by insiders, the gov. & special interests. Plenty of companies with healthy financials that are trading at a disproportionate price.
$$$ Ammo as an investment
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True, but they and the other ammo/gun producers are at the whim of those gov. officials who are in power.
UNCLE PAULY
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The scenario of an economic meltdown would make paper money worthless.
How would he advertise to find people who have silver and gold currency?
With rioting and looting going on his stash of ammo would become a magnet for thieves and gangs.
Bad Idea imho.
How would he advertise to find people who have silver and gold currency?
With rioting and looting going on his stash of ammo would become a magnet for thieves and gangs.
Bad Idea imho.
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This pretty well sums up the market for. 22lr
Selling ammo is such a PITA. I've sold a little through Armslist and what a headache. So many flakes, lowballers and no shows. Guys wanting me to drive two hours to meet them, others backing out at the last minute after you've made arrangements to meet them. Your needs to think about how easy it will be to move hundred of thousand rounds of ammo.
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I've sold g&a thru Armslist.
All buyers were required to meet me at a police station with a drivers license i.d and sign a bill of sale, close to where I live. Those were my terms & about 80% followed thru. The other 20% don't concern me.
Worth it, for me.
MichiganScott
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I think that the OP would be better off to spend $10 on a roll of tinfoil and manufacture himself some hats.
After reading this thread, I suspect that the friend is Backlighting himself.
After reading this thread, I suspect that the friend is Backlighting himself.
GatorFarmer
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I sold my old stash of ammo and mags. Ammo is heavy and a real nuisance to move around.
You have to know your market. I can't imagine some of the folks I used to sell to meeting in a police station. Not because they were criminals, rather because the people who constantly squirrel away ammo, regardless of price, tend to be wary of the government.
Anyway, one guy can't defend a big stash. It is different if you have a family and a compound, or even a gang. But if things are ever bad enough for ammo to really be at a premium, and you lack the experience and street smarts that come from experience dealing with illegal and high demand products...well you won't last long.
You have to know your market. I can't imagine some of the folks I used to sell to meeting in a police station. Not because they were criminals, rather because the people who constantly squirrel away ammo, regardless of price, tend to be wary of the government.
Anyway, one guy can't defend a big stash. It is different if you have a family and a compound, or even a gang. But if things are ever bad enough for ammo to really be at a premium, and you lack the experience and street smarts that come from experience dealing with illegal and high demand products...well you won't last long.
RJJ 1971
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Investment to make profit = who knows if it's a good idea...
Investment to ensure you and your family can practice fundamentals and maybe eventually depend on, in a bad situation = good idea.
Letting anyone know exactly how much you paid for ammo or the exact amount of rounds you have = private information that shouldn't be shared.
Investment to ensure you and your family can practice fundamentals and maybe eventually depend on, in a bad situation = good idea.
Letting anyone know exactly how much you paid for ammo or the exact amount of rounds you have = private information that shouldn't be shared.
This is a very poor idea, in my not all that humble opinion. The unknowns about the future of the ammunition market are legion, and it's not like there's an ammunition trading desk. It is not outside the realm of possibility that at some point, ammunition sales between private parties will be heavily regulated, to the point of making them near impossible . . .
RJJ 1971
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My best friends dad back in the Clinton years buried ammo and firearms all over his property (7 cans and tubes). Because he was worried about the Government seizing/banning - firearms/ammo.
12 years later when he passed away... My friend and his brother only found 2 out of the 7 stashes before they sold the property.
So much for the government taking it away. He just gave it away for free.
Cal44
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Stock in Smith and Wesson or Strum Ruger would likely be a better investment.
Depends on the price he can get it for and how important the $10,000 is to him. I wouldn't bet my retirement on ammo, but assuming it is a small fraction of his portfolio it isn't the worst investment out there.
The holding cost are minimal unless he's has to move it. I'd look into buy milsurp ammo meant for long term storage to minimize the chance of contamination.
In reality $10,000 of ammo isn't that much. Ask anyone who shoots full auto regularly.
Thankfully the market has almost returned to normal and reasonable deals can still be found. If I was buying 10K in ammo I'd buy half now and try to get a better deal once 22lr drops a little more.
The holding cost are minimal unless he's has to move it. I'd look into buy milsurp ammo meant for long term storage to minimize the chance of contamination.
In reality $10,000 of ammo isn't that much. Ask anyone who shoots full auto regularly.
Thankfully the market has almost returned to normal and reasonable deals can still be found. If I was buying 10K in ammo I'd buy half now and try to get a better deal once 22lr drops a little more.
In many cities, you must have a license to sell ammo for profit.
If I owned a gun shop with a storefront, investing 10 grand on ammo might be a good thing. But maybe not. How long will you sit on it? How much will it appreciate? How much will it cost to store it?
Ammo prices have increased recently. But not that much. One may have to sit on that ammo for ten years to make a profit. Unless you intend to gouge people. After word gets out you probably won't sell it all. But then again people are stupid so you just might.
Having said the above makes me realize that there are too many variables involved. If I have that kind of money I would buy the ammo for personal use.
If I owned a gun shop with a storefront, investing 10 grand on ammo might be a good thing. But maybe not. How long will you sit on it? How much will it appreciate? How much will it cost to store it?
Ammo prices have increased recently. But not that much. One may have to sit on that ammo for ten years to make a profit. Unless you intend to gouge people. After word gets out you probably won't sell it all. But then again people are stupid so you just might.
Having said the above makes me realize that there are too many variables involved. If I have that kind of money I would buy the ammo for personal use.
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Your friend sounds like a good candidate for investing in tulip bulbs.
OP
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Your friend sounds like a good candidate for investing in tulip bulbs.
I have mixed feelings about what he wants to do.
But heh, it's his money...and its not like the 10K is all the savings he has.
If I has $10K sitting around with all other needs satisfied, I would invest in ammunition as well. My modest portfolio contains no stock market hinged investments any longer; been burnt over the years every time I was paper rich. Tangibles are my choice, be it real estate, precious metals, ammunition, etc. I leave dollars and gold alone as well. If the economy falters, what would a dollar be worth, the full faith of the United States government? And I would have better bartering power at the grocery store with nice clean .45 ACP or Morgan silver dollar than I would with a Krugerrand (which I view as hard to make change for). So many investments hinge on the stability of the dollar to extract a value, and the stability of the dollar is my largest concern. Call me a pessimist or whatever.... this is just MY humble opinion and I impose it upon no one else.
A true country wide meltdown doesn't seem very likely to me. But we
will see an increase of social unrest and tension. The key to making a
profit on anything is to buy it right to begin with. Basic ARs like the
DPMS and S&W Sport have been on sale for $500 or even less lately.
$10,000 would buy 20 NIB ARs which would seem to seem to be a
sure bet for a profit at some point in the future.
will see an increase of social unrest and tension. The key to making a
profit on anything is to buy it right to begin with. Basic ARs like the
DPMS and S&W Sport have been on sale for $500 or even less lately.
$10,000 would buy 20 NIB ARs which would seem to seem to be a
sure bet for a profit at some point in the future.
GRU_ 7_ mech
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I would look at it this way...IF, and it is a BIG IF, the country gets so bad you have to sell off ammo to survive or barter it for food, I do not think I would even trust anyone enough to let them know I had enough ammo to sell to others.
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