Ammo prices and caliber relevance.

Ive got 2 caliber's - well, 3 actually
.357 Magnum/.38 Special
Ive got a lot of old Atlanta Arms 38spc ammo left over from my dad's PPC days
But, for .357 Magnum I have Underwood Ammo for home defense - namely those nasty Lehigh bullets
Same with .45 Auto - I love Underwood- the Xtreme Defender is my favorite but, I also have some 200 grain Penetrators too - ive dealt with Underwood for years and they always exceed expectations- my own and what's stated on the box provided its not a snubby Im shooting
Here's a pic of a .357 Magnum 120 grain Xtreme Hunter - Defense bullet
1700 fps 770 ft lbs ( its a real bastard )
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This is the 'ammo' forum but with the .40, or any gun for that matter, I'd buy a good, available make of ammo to carry, fire enough for familiarity and reliability check, then work up a matching load and reload 99% of my practice rounds. .40 is a very good carry caliber, though I prefer 9mm/.38. Some of my favorite ammo in 9mm is Federal HSTs, Remington Golden Saber and Speer Gold Dot. In a .40 cal, I'd use the heavier bullets.
 
OP, reason I wrote what I wrote is to say thag whether your an average guy or not, get the best ammo you can
I just happen to be a 45 Auto / .357 Magnum man
And those Underwoood Xtreme Defenders are like nothing I've seen before
Practice with whatever you can because that ammo is expensive- maybe shoot a few rounds but, you can rest assured Underwood will perform accuracy wise
It ain't rocket science - just do the best you can do
Been carrying a gun since I was 18 years old - armed security at ski resort, then law enforcement & I've only ever drew my gun 2 times and i will be 54 this November
However, times are changing, that's for sure - but, just do the best ya can -
 
Typical conversation here I see. These discussions will continue as long as different pistol calibers are available. Everything though must be evaluated same as one does when buying anything. Years ago cops used to buy ballistic armor based on what the most likely threat they would encounter. Two primary concerns had to be considered, comfort of wear and type of weapon most likely to be encountered. Some cops would go nuts and buy a vest that would stop almost everything, but then they wouldn't wear the vest because it was too uncomfortable. Other cops like myself looked at the big picture and what was the most likely rounds a bad guy would use. We made our vest purchase based on that information and we wore our more comfortable vests all the time on duty.

Most knowledgeable cops back in the day knew the chances of running into a bad guy armed with a .44 Magnum, .45 ACP or even a .357 were pretty slim. Most were armed with .22's, .25 Autos, .380's, .38 Specials and occasionally a 9mm. Today things are different of course and threat level protection is also different, but I often thought a guy with a .22 RF can be just as dangerous as a guy armed with a Magnum IF the guy with the .22 RF knows how to shoot it. Let's face it, a hole placed in a body in the right spot can be deadly regardless of caliber. This simple fact has been proven time and again and that's why I only carry a 9mm or .380 with factory ammunition for concealed carry. I shoot the 9mm and .380 well. I can control the recoil of them better than larger rounds and I am comfortable with them. I will add that modern .380 ammunition is nothing to sneeze at and ballistically can be close to a 9mm.

Depending on the time of year and clothing worn I carry either a G-48 or G-42. Why Glocks? Easy choice for me. I shoot them well and I can replace them easily if they are taken as evidence. I don't use any radical ammunition in them, only what one would use if they were on a law enforcement agency. If it's good enough for police use it's good enough for me. I don't want to have to explain to a jury why I am using some radical looking ammunition in my EDC pistol because it will raise eyebrows and plant seeds I don't want planted. I want it known that I only wanted to stop what I perceived as the dangerous and illegal activity of a person who I deemed a threat to me or possibly someone else. It should never be about killing someone, it should only be about stopping them. No more, no less.

Could I carry a .40 or .45 or even a 10mm? Sure I could, but why? Realistically what are your chances of being involved in a gunfight? And are you ready to confront the criminal and civil legal system if you are involved in a shooting? All food for thought beyond a simple caliber choice. One last question should be if you do carry a firearm, do you have a really good lawyer cause if you use that firearm you will need one.

Rick H.
 
The .40 S&W, or short and weak, is about 3/64",three sixty fourths inch larger in dia than the 9mm. Draw the two circles on paper and if you're a bit older you might need reading glasses to see the difference. If you actually believe that because the forty "starts with a 4" that it is a big knockem down round compared to the 9mm then go ahead and spend your money on the mighty .40 ammo.
Be sure to ignore results from actual shootings.

The 9mm is about agency cost, nothing else. Easier to shoot is an after-the-decision rationalization, as is hype about magic bullets, IME.
 
The way i look at it over all is its a helluva lot better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 - and I sure ain't totin around a 9mm either -
357 magnum or 45 auto or 10mm - all those with Underwood Lehigh Defenders are just bad news - they perform twice or more better than an any jacketed hollow point out there
And the rifle ammo is even worse, those Controlled Chaos bullets are like a buzz saw- with Underwood Lehigh ammo, the hype is real
 
I enjoy my time at the range. That has had significant impact on my migration toward 9mm in the general sense. Most of my shooting is with this cartridge as it is cheap, reloadable and very well supported on all fronts.
It's a useful cartridge, well suited to many things, especially recreational shooting.
For self defense ... a Glock 26 or similar is a good starting point EDC. If one finds themselves where angels fear to tread, we'd all rather have a 12 gauge.
 
... all those with Underwood Lehigh Defenders are just bad news - they perform twice or more better than an any jacketed hollow point out there
And the rifle ammo is even worse, those Controlled Chaos bullets are like a buzz saw- with Underwood Lehigh ammo, the hype is real
My question each time on new magic bullets is the same - where can I find the reports wherein these were used to shoot a human being? Without data, there's only speculation or extrapolation.
 
My question each time on new magic bullets is the same - where can I find the reports wherein these were used to shoot a human being? Without data, there's only speculation or extrapolation.
Magic bullet? Its been out for years
Ive never heard it called that
And don't get me wrong, im not trying to be rude -
 
I use 9 for the streets and .357 or 45 colt for the woods. I practice with 9mil and hot 38s the most. I've been considering the spray as a new less than lethal option. My old bucheimer Denver special is not considered "less than lethal" in most places anymore.
 
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