I have learned that its more fun when your not the fence post. Don't be a fence post we have enough already
An interesting phone call from a LEO
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I have to say the ability for healthy debate, even with a fence post, is what makes it all worthwhile.
If not I would have the occasional question about firearms that may interest me.
Then I have countless complaints about the mail, shipping services, dinner plans, old jokes and workout schedules.
I am okay being or arguing with the fence post.
Sometimes it opens my eyes to some things I may have misunderstood or shows me that somethings aren't worth wasting all that energy on.
If not I would have the occasional question about firearms that may interest me.
Then I have countless complaints about the mail, shipping services, dinner plans, old jokes and workout schedules.
I am okay being or arguing with the fence post.
Sometimes it opens my eyes to some things I may have misunderstood or shows me that somethings aren't worth wasting all that energy on.
SGT ROCK 11B
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Did you talk to Andy or Barney? It makes a difference.
If you talking about a City or County Agency I would call the State Police. Other options are FBI or ATF.
This is one weird thread.
Dead hookers, drug money, lawyers, perjury, parking lot FTF sales, might still be prosecuted, bogus phone call set up, on and on.
Best let-your-imagination-run-wild thread I've read in a long time.
Dead hookers, drug money, lawyers, perjury, parking lot FTF sales, might still be prosecuted, bogus phone call set up, on and on.
Best let-your-imagination-run-wild thread I've read in a long time.
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A new model 25 was originally sold through FFL A1 to Bob, 5 years later Bob trades the model 25 in at FFL B7 to get a model 629. FFL B7 sells Sam the model 25. 4 years later Sam trades the 25 in at FFL C8. C8 sells the 25 to me. Sam then dies.
Now there is no way for the BATF to know Bob or Sam traded gun in at FFL B7 or C8 as the 4473 remain in their books. Bob has forgotten what shop he traded it off at. So according to some people's logic the 25 is legally owed by Bob because that's all the farther the ATF can trace it. Even if Bob does remember, The trail to the final owner goes cold because of Sam's death. Sam can't own it because he is dead.
Now there is no way for the BATF to know Bob or Sam traded gun in at FFL B7 or C8 as the 4473 remain in their books. Bob has forgotten what shop he traded it off at. So according to some people's logic the 25 is legally owed by Bob because that's all the farther the ATF can trace it. Even if Bob does remember, The trail to the final owner goes cold because of Sam's death. Sam can't own it because he is dead.
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What if……. The rightful owner is the guy that got caught with it, and he just happened to go bad and got caught with the gun.
CAJUNLAWYER
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My bad. You are correct.
That happens a LOT in spousal or boyfriend/girlfriend, etc., murders and aggravated assaults, usually involving booze, dope, or crazy.
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That's the way it works in your state but not in every state. Here the state does the background check and every firearm goes into a state database. So it varies from state to state which firearms have been swept up into a database during a background check. Those would be the point of contact states. Dealers contact a state or local law enforcement agency instead of the FBI. Just a quick search says there are 20 states that do that.
So in those states the ATF isn't tracing the firearm, state LE does it.
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In NM since 2019, if you transfer a firearm to a non-relative, you have to have a background check meeting the 18 U.S.C. Section 923(a) requirements (30-7-7.1) - you just do the background check, you don't do a 4473.
Prior to that, there were no rules. Of course, homicides have gone UP since 2019. Sigh. https://justicereinvestmentinitiati...Criminal-Justice-Data-Snapshot_accessible.pdf
Prior to that, there were no rules. Of course, homicides have gone UP since 2019. Sigh. https://justicereinvestmentinitiati...Criminal-Justice-Data-Snapshot_accessible.pdf
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spad124
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Since you know your LEO buyer resold or traded the Ruger to another LEO, I’d give that info to the investigating officer. And I’d contact your buyer so he/she could contact the second buyer. Unless the second buyer is the person who the police took the Ruger from, or subsequently resold the Ruger again, that person may want it back. Seems odd to me a LEO wouldn’t report a stolen firearm.
In the state I live in, Illinois, it’s a crime to not report a lost or stolen firearm. (So a crime victim commits a crime if they don’t report a crime). I always keep proof if I sell a firearm so I’m not charged with something because I’m the last name in the official 4473 record. Like other states Illinois requires a private seller to conduct an online background check through the state police website prior to the sale. Supposedly the state police do not keep the search record, although the make, model, and SN is required. In addition, for private sales for the last two years, a buyer in a private non-FFL firearm sale also has to physically go to a FFL after the private purchase and record the private purchase in the FFL’s records. Which means the state has created a defacto registry through private businesses.
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spad124
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LA seems pretty reasonable for private firearm sales. Other states, usually the “progressive” ones, have different and much more restrictive laws for firearm sales between individuals. You have to know the process in your state.
Here selling a gun is just like selling a hammer and between private there is just as much paperwork, While some states require an FFL very few have state registration, The state of Montana couldn't care less which, what or how many its people have
That could change when the next swarm of liberals from southern California come flying!
I think MT is safe for awhile. The newest destination for CA migrants is the southeast according to U-Haul. Y'all have fun.
Only if they are farm workers.
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