And the war is on.

[Rocketmedic40]

Orchestrated by the US and Britain in 1953. Fair enough, but that was 72 years ago.
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Lasting until 1979, and then let’s not forget how we armed, funded and equipped Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran from 1984-1988. Lots of Iranian fathers and grandfathers gone because we demanded “payback” against those who dared to defy our stooge…

And of course there’s the whole airliner shoot down and the sanctions.

Not saying it’s right, but we may have played a slight part in getting their ire up…

 

[biku324]

We did support a coup against a popular government and install a puppet dictator with all the trimmings…there may be some legitimate grievances lurking around Iran against American influence.

100% correct.

The CIA now officially describes the 1953 coup it backed in Iran that overthrew its prime minister and cemented the rule of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as undemocratic. https://apnews.com/article/iran-1953-coup-cia-218323db3cc1aca6bde1e54827527e8d

 

[Rocketmedic40]

'Death to America' and 'Death to Israel' in the region is akin to saying, "You stink," "Pound sand," or "Bite me" over here. It's just not language indicating imminent slaughter of millions. Different cultures, different meanings.

And it’s not like our own politicians, media and entertainment haven’t framed Iran as evil incarnate for literally my entire life.

Boomers watching JAG and NCIS got the whole “Israel good Iran bad” message every episode.

Call of Duty and Battlefield and Rainbow Six are literally “Iranian savages are coming TRAIN FOR WAR!”

President Bush defined three unrelated countries who all hate al-Queda as the “axis of evil” and invaded one of them.

Long memories ain’t just a ME thing.

 

[Rocketmedic40]

Heck, Chuck Norris was kick-launching Iranian dudes through airliners long before Tom Cruise was dogfight-bombing totally-not-Iranian nuclear MiGs in a liberated Tomcat…point is, we did a hard 180* on Iran in 1979 and now they’re basically the Arachnids from Starship Troopers to most Americans.

How fast we forget.

Also an object lesson to our “allies”, they can be memory-holed fast.

 

[biku324]

Orchestrated by the US and Britain in 1953. Fair enough, but that was 72 years ago.
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Just like Islam has gotten over accession arguments over the Prophet's position after his death in 632 AD. The Sunn'i and Shi'a truly were 'besties' afterward. Still are. Really.

These are not Americans, and trying to ascribe American motivations and belief systems to those in the region isn't profitable.

Again, declare victory and leave.

 

[Onomea]

I read Leon Uris's novel Exodus when I was about 12 years old. I think it has influenced me throughout my life to be sympathetic to Israel.

I remain sympathetic to Israel, but, in recent years, have begun to see the country's warts as well.

Exodus (Uris novel) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[biku324]

Uris wrote some great stuff - my favorite was 'Battle Cry.'

 

[Oldengineer]

All I can say is that the results are always perfect for the choices made . There will be serious consequences for all involved.

 

[GaryS]

"Battle Cry" the movie got panned, but I find it very entertaining. Even the "love" scenes.

Uris wrote some great stuff - my favorite was 'Battle Cry.'

 

[smithman 10]

Well it appears that the results of the U.S. raid on Iran's nuclear facilities may not have been quite as impressive as first reported.

My crystal ball is becoming ever more cloudy in regard to what may happen next in the region.

 

[GaryS]

I'll only say that assessment seems to be pretty accurate based on follow up on the ground evaluations by Israeli agents.

Israel and Iran are now abiding by the ceasefire.

Well it appears that the results of the U.S. raid on Iran's nuclear facilities may not have been quite as impressive as first reported.

My crystal ball is becoming ever more cloudy in regard to what may happen next in the region.

 

[biku324]

Well it appears that the results of the U.S. raid on Iran's nuclear facilities may not have been quite as impressive as first reported.

My crystal ball is becoming ever more cloudy in regard to what may happen next in the region.

Declare victory - walk away.

A staggering 400 kilograms of uranium—enriched to 60% purity and potentially enough to make up to 10 nuclear weapons, according to US Vice President JD Vance—has gone missing. "It's unaccounted for," Vance told ABC News, in what has become a growing source of anxiety in Washington and Tel Aviv. https://www.timesnownews.com/world/middle-east/the-400-kg-missing-uranium-from-fordow-that-is-haunting-washington-and-tel-aviv-article-152142691

 

[ladder13]

There is no laptop.

 

[Harrison]

You had to know something/s were going to happen. At the very minimum a response, the question is just how strong. You got to consider this more of a game of Chess.

The Iranian regime has much in common with Germany and Japan in WW2. We did not negotiate with them, or do ceasefires. We just beat them into unconditional surrender. The same need to happen with the Iranian regime.

 

[brians356]

Uris wrote some great stuff - my favorite was 'Battle Cry.'

Didn't read them all, but Trinity I liked, about generational Irish nationalism.
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[brians356]

Well it appears that the results of the U.S. raid on Iran's nuclear facilities may not have been quite as impressive as first reported.

That's what our TDS media are drooling to convince themselves, and you, of. TDS spin, it's been ongoing for a decade. I'll wager a week's liquor bill that Iran is out of the nuke business for many, many years. And Israel will never stop watching and acting as required. The bunker busters were necessary, but more discreet ventures have been very effective. "Terminate ... with extreme prejudice."
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[s&wchad]

We're not here to solve world problems, second guess our elected officials or discuss politics. Nothing we say here will make a hill of difference. We're here to discuss all things S&W and provide an enjoyable platform for like minded individuals.

Occasional posts about world affairs are OK, but this is another thread that got out of hand.

Multiple threads about this conflict have been locked. Perhaps some of you should take a hint...