Angry man at gun shop

[grit]

Originally posted by nisamo:
Do you have to put down your ss#? I always do. Wonder how many others do?

I was told that you don't have to give them your SSN, but that it helps to identify you and avoid delays (ie. if someone else has your name).

 

[Andy Taylor]

Originally posted by Smitty500Mag:

Originally posted by 2Loud4You:

If you're in ATL then you need to get a GA CCW permit then you'll have no problems buying in GA.

The only problem with Georgia is they won't issue a non drivers license for ID like a lot of other states such as Alabama will so that you can get a CCW permit or buy a gun in that state while you're living there. If you want to get an ID in Georgia to prove you live there and be able to buy a gun or get your CCW License you have to turn in your drivers license from any other state and get a Georgia Drivers License. So I'm not turning in my other state ID's just to get a Georgia license because then I wouldn't be able to buy guns in those states when I'm living there during different times of the year.

Smitty

So you are saying that a person who lives in GA but does not drive, has no way to get an ID?

 

[Andy Griffith]

Originally posted by Lucky Derby:


So you are saying that a person who lives in GA but does not drive, has no way to get an ID?

No,

He saying that the state of Georgia will not issue an ID card or drivers license to anyone UNLESS he turns in ALL other driver's licenses or ID's that are possessed that are shown in their computer system from any other state(s).

For instance, it is possible to get an address in Florida (if I am a Georgia resident) and as long as I can prove that I have a residence in Florida, they will issue either a Florida ID or a "Florida only" driver's license WITHOUT having to turn in my Georgia driver's license. This is the case for some other states, but Georgia will not issue anything unless all other forms of state ID's are turned in.

 

[scoutsdad]

I bought a lever action in New Mexico,and had to be checked by the FFL. Something that never happened in Arizona, with my CCW. I have been told that this has been changed, everyone gets the check. In New Mexico he asked for my SSN, but said it wasn't necessary but may come back quicker. I wrote it down on a separate sheet of paper, and got it back when done. He said they never asked.

 

[yugolovr]

I was once denied. Found it very interesting considering that I had never broken a law in my life except for the usual stupid teenage speeding ticket. This was right after Indiana had changed there background check system for there CCW permits, and I was waiting for my renewal to come through. It turns out that there is another person out there with the same name and age and more with felony warrants in three states. Two day later I had a phone interview with an ATF agent. One of those conversations where they keep asking you the same questions over and over in different ways. With the goal of catching you in a lie. It was a no hassle conversation, and at the of it you told me to now always use my SSN# when I fill out the form.The ATF agent had also called the gun dealer to see if I had fit the felons description. From what I understand it was quite the humorous conversation, and has resulted in me getting a new nickname. The ATF now assign people that have this same problem a number so it doesn't happen anymore.

 

[Amici]

Originally posted by nisamo:
Do you have to put down your ss#? I always do.

NO, you don't. As I recall, it says "Optional" right on the form, making the answer quite clear.

And NO, I never do. Not for my driver's license, not for my firearms license and not on a 4473. I write REFUSED on those.

Never been delayed or denied.

 

[Forester]

I usually put my SS# down. I think it makes it go smoother. If you think you are protecting your privacy by not supplying your SS# to the government, you are fooling yourself.

 

[labworm]

Originally posted by Forester:
I usually put my SS# down. I think it makes it go smoother. If you think you are protecting your privacy by not supplying your SS# to the government, you are fooling yourself.

I agree 100%. Now a little humor, do ya think the government maybe knows who I am with that SS#

 

[Erich]

Another person in agreement with Forester here.

 

[handejector]

I recommend NOT putting your SSN on the 4473.
ALL your other data is there, like DOB, adress, and physical description.

It is POSSIBLE, though unlikely, that the data could be obtained by someone undesirable, like a crooked employee, or the druggie son/nephew/grandson of the dealer.

Why give data about yourself you don't have to?

 

[Amici]

Originally posted by handejector:
I recommend NOT putting your SSN on the 4473.
ALL your other data is there, like DOB, adress, and physical description.

It is POSSIBLE, though unlikely, that the data could be obtained by someone undesirable, like a crooked employee, or the druggie son/nephew/grandson of the dealer.

Why give data about yourself you don't have to?

Indeed. Why exhibit mindless compliance which only encourages further incursions?

 

[scoutsdad]

I never give out my SSN, I go so far as to carry a passport if I think ID is needed. Besides from where I am I may go to Old Mexico just to have a beer.

Only 13 days until a passport is mandatory for travel across our borders.

 

[69HEMI-R/T]

I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps and have worked for the government for many, many years in a capacity that requires a top secret clearance. I think the government already knows enough about me, SSN or not! I have also lived in the same place for over 30 years. They know where to find me if they need to!!

That said, I have a CHL and my purchases never need to be called in for approval. I STILL put my SSN down as the government knows me well enough with or without it!

Refuse to give it if you want, just don't kid yourself into believing it protects anything about you!

 

[gaucho1]

I decline for the reason Handejector voiced.

The goverment can steal my identity without
effort.
One more piece of paper with my ss that is not
required is not going to give me browny points with my ffl or the goverment.
Minor,but minor either way.

 

[29aholic]

I delayed on the first check right after it started. Kinda funny if you think about it because I was working at a gunshop at the time and they had to do BG check on me to the NICS checks. First one I called on myself was delayed long enough for me to hang up and walk 2 feet then back to answer the phone...never been delayed since. FWIW it does tend to piss them off if you call one on yourself

 

[handejector]

I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps and have worked for the government for many, many years in a capacity that requires a top secret clearance. I think the government already knows enough about me, SSN or not! I have also lived in the same place for over 30 years. They know where to find me if they need to!!

Read what I posted again.
My point is not to keep the government from getting it. My point is why give it to pawn shops and gun shops where a variety of people could obtain it.
I don't really care if all of you get a custom car tag with your SSN on it, or put it on your roof in Christmas lights, but I don't recommend it.

 

[nisamo]

I had a transfer today and I left off my ss #. While the shop employee was on the phone, getting the background check, he said they asked for my ss #. I put it on the form and the 3 gun transfer went through without a hitch.

I have been delayed in the past but never denied. I have not applied for a unique # but I did have an email dialogue with atf a year or so ago. I still get kicked up to the 2nd level but have not been delayed since the email conversation.

 

[handejector]

he said they asked for my ss #.

They always ask for it. I simply say "Not given" if the guy did not write it down.

As I say, I always suggest people leave it off. If your name is John Smith, you better plan on always giving it, or better yet, apply for the unique ID number.