Another drone shooting. This is not going to go away.

[Capt.Jim]

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Drones, are they the new 'Peeping Toms' ????



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Can you shoot a peeping Tom and get away with it?

 

[Capt.Jim]

I would say people are sensitive because of the camera, people don't like to be spied on, what's so hard to understand about that? How would you feel if a registered sex offender is flying a drone around your house? How about some thieves looking to see if anyone is home? You are cleaning your guns one day and a drone sees that and you become a target for a rip off.
I don't think any teenager is going to follow any FAA regs.

Here is what I predict will happen in the future.
Civilian drones will be involved with the following:
Crash into commercial aircraft.
Bombs and guns will be mounted to kill people. Probably start with the drug organizations in the US and then possibly Mexican drug cartels.
Reporters will use them to spy on actors in their homes.
Private investigators will use them for spying.

I can see how a pervert spying on people will someday get shot. It would not bother me one bit when that happens.

Let me answer each point you made to show you how much of a nonsense involved in your claims...

1) People shouldn't be going around shooting at things they don't like or sensitive to...

2) Not bothers me at all because I have nothing to attract a sex offender in or around my house... I don't have a 20 some year old supermodel daughter sunbathing topless in my backyard. But also, do you really think a drone is the ONLY tool sex offenders choose to watch and target their victims? How about video cameras, binoculars, telescopes....? Which idiot sex offender will watch your home with a visible and noisy drone which is also traceable back to him while there are ton of other untraceable methods available to them.

3) Nobody can see if anybody at home with a drone! Period! If a thief has a X-Ray vision capable drone it means he spent about half a million dollars to steal your lousy TV... Not realistic... There's no difference from a person looking at your house from outside even with binoculars or looking via a drone. Imagine you are in shower or in bathroom shaving or taking a nap, how in the world that drone buzzing on top of your roof going to find out if you're home or not? That's a ridiculous argument!

4) What drone seeing you cleaning your guns? Where do you clean your guns? What kind of home you live in for God's sake?

5) Most of the drones are operated by photograph and videography enthusiasts or professionals like real estate agents, building inspectors... Drone technology is advance enough that with a built in GPS technology they can't be flown within 3 miles of airports. It simply doesn't work!

6) When commercial aircraft begin to fly 50 ft above your backyard I don't think crashing to a drone will be the only thing to worry about!

Your last comment scares the **** out of me... If someday a kid playing with his flying R/C toy will be shot by a paranoiac maniac and you'll be doing the happy dance!

Now I see what type of mentality giving the ammunition to the anti-gun crowd! Good going!

 

[SeamasterSig]

I'm not so much surprised at all the bravado in this thread as I am at the people coming down on the other side of the fence and rationalizing an invasion of personal space/privacy. C'mon! Just because many people deliberately use cell phones and surf the Internet, expressly or implicitly allowing cell phone providers and app creators to track our movements and potentially control our mobile devices remotely, while willfully enabling tech companies to sell the data they collect on us for profit by virtue of our voluntary activities does not mean that we should simply accept without a fight that we now live in a world in which strangers feel entitled to eavesdrop or point their camera into our private lives.

The manner in which the "perpetrator" downed the pesky drone is a distraction (and anyway, it's not as if he shot the drone operator). The real issue is whether or not we still have a reasonable expectation of privacy from uninvited bipedal or aerial snoopers on our own property. If we shouldn't expect privacy in public, and can't expect privacy when we intentionally connect to the Internet or use our cell phones (or simply leave them on), we ought to at least have a defensible right against invasions of privacy on our own property! If we as a society place more value in the drone operator's expectation of entitlement than the property owner's expectation of privacy in a case like this, then we deserve what comes next.

 

[Neumann]

Drone v Drone

How about a hunter-killer drone, with or without a camera, to bring down the trespassers? Use it to loft a net or dangle monofilament line (breakaway, naturally).

 

[Nemo288]

Another version of this story from a little different perspective:
Kentucky man shoots down drone hovering over his backyard | Ars Technica
Nice picture of Mr. Merideth (provided by him).

 

[wrhk33]

Let me answer each point you made to show you how much of a nonsense involved in your claims...

1) People shouldn't be going around shooting at things they don't like or sensitive to...

2) Not bothers me at all because I have nothing to attract a sex offender in or around my house... I don't have a 20 some year old supermodel daughter sunbathing topless in my backyard. But also, do you really think a drone is the ONLY tool sex offenders choose to watch and target their victims? How about video cameras, binoculars, telescopes....? Which idiot sex offender will watch your home with a visible and noisy drone which is also traceable back to him while there are ton of other untraceable methods available to them.

3) Nobody can see if anybody at home with a drone! Period! If a thief has a X-Ray vision capable drone it means he spent about half a million dollars to steal your lousy TV... Not realistic... There's no difference from a person looking at your house from outside even with binoculars or looking via a drone. Imagine you are in shower or in bathroom shaving or taking a nap, how in the world that drone buzzing on top of your roof going to find out if you're home or not? That's a ridiculous argument!

4) What drone seeing you cleaning your guns? Where do you clean your guns? What kind of home you live in for God's sake?

5) Most of the drones are operated by photograph and videography enthusiasts or professionals like real estate agents, building inspectors... Drone technology is advance enough that with a built in GPS technology they can't be flown within 3 miles of airports. It simply doesn't work!

6) When commercial aircraft begin to fly 50 ft above your backyard I don't think crashing to a drone will be the only thing to worry about!

Your last comment scares the **** out of me... If someday a kid playing with his flying R/C toy will be shot by a paranoiac maniac and you'll be doing the happy dance!

Now I see what type of mentality giving the ammunition to the anti-gun crowd! Good going!

Well I will rely on your expertise in the matter. Please educate me I don't have one.

2) Did I say that the drone was the only tool of the sex offender?

3) Are you saying that a drone in hover outside a second story window, especially at night with the lights on in a room cannot see inside the room?
Some windows in a home are not accessible for someone with binoculars or a camera due to the elevation or positioning.

4) If drones cannot see inside through the windows then they would not see me cleaning my guns. I know some people clean and photograph guns in their back yard or back deck. Unless you stick your head over the wall you wouldn't see anything.

5) I understand the GPS tells you where the drone is. Is it physically impossible to breech the boundary of an airport? If you try to go farther does it shut down due to the electronics?

6) On a high end drone what is the limit on altitude, not the FAA imposed limit but the mechanical/aerodynamic limit? The FAA set the limit at 400ft? I watched a video from a news helicopter I think, it had a problem with a drone. What do the helicopters fly at, 500ft?
During the fire fighting efforts in CA where the cars caught on fire, they said that the helicopters had a issue with drone in the area? Are they wrong? I have seen on the news a commercial pilot mentioning a hazardous flight condition because of a drone, was that debunked?

You seem to think that there is no possibility that people will misuse these drones. That is like saying people will never misuse guns. Is it impossible to spy on people with a drone?

I actually think they are a cool device and provide great videos from angles that most people will never see otherwise. I understand all the points you made about the legitimate uses of drones but you don't seem to have a problem with the darker uses.

You don't seem to value privacy very much, it may be a cultural difference.
It is bad enough to have the government spy on us, now we will have kids doing it. If someone is outside my home holding a video camera up to my window I can call the police and report them for trespassing. Can't do that when a drone does it can I?

As for your last comment , those 4 guys that confronted the shooter came close to getting shot didn't they? They were trying to intimidate him on his property right? Shouldn't they have just gone to the police?

Locally some father caught a guy peeping on his 12yo daughter, he almost beat him to death. I did not think he should have beat him but people do things they shouldn't.

 

[wbraswell]

Can you shoot a peeping Tom and get away with it?

In Texas, maybe so. Kind of depends on what you shoot him with and how many times. You may have to deal with the criminal justice system, but a jury of mothers, fathers, and grandmothers aren't likely to send you to Huntsville.

 

[keith44spl]

Can you shoot a peeping Tom and get away with it?

To answer your question, in my jurisdiction, Yes..........
Hell fire, we can't get a jury to convict on a slam dunk homicide.

Shooting a peepin Tom would just be another non-event.
It would never make it to a grand jury.

Shoot a drone....When everyone in the court room quit laughin'
ya'll here the gavel fall and....Case Dismissed.



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Wells now, if I play'd with drones, I surely would NOT fly one
on to or over the neighbor's property to ogle young children or adults..........Would you, capt.jim???


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If someone flew a drone over and hovered on my little corner of Eden,
They would lose their drone, period. Possession is 9/10 of the law around these here parts.

When someone disrespects others privacy, they suffer the consciences.
Keeping those toys outta residential areas is gonna be the new ruling, jest you wait and see.

I would charge an operator of a drone with Wanton Endangerment
if one came within 28 feet of anyone in my presents.
The same as someone welding a knife or other edged/sharp weapon.
Those rotor blades could cut like a razor, operators can and do lose control of their toys.

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[BigBill]

Next it's drones spying on the beach with dental floss bikinis.

Watch and see. Then it's posted on YouTube. Our privacy is gone.

 

[Capt.Jim]

What I'm trying to say is that some people act like drones have no other purpose of spying on your privacy in an era while90% of the population post where they are, what they are doing on Facebook, instagram kind of forums while posting pictures...

Most people have no idea what their teenager daughter posting on her Facebook page or what kind of pictures she is sending to her friends on her cell phone...

But when "drones" is the issue they are the privacy fighter heroes!

I don't mind, if you find a drone hovering 2 ft away from your second floor bedroom window with wide open curtains while you're making sweet love to your wife and decide to bring it down. Sure by all means go ahead...

What I'm talking about is that people with this drone hysteria running around with a shotgun in their backyard because they saw a drone 100 ft above their backyard.

Every drone flew over your property is spying on your privacy argument in my opinion as dumb as, every high capacity magazine out there is power to create mass murderers!

Trust me, I feel like some of us thinking we are much more interesting and worth to spy on then we actually are.

Drones are here as a new technology and they will stay!
My advice, take your tinfoil hat off and get used to it!

 

[A.O.]

Guaranteed a drone flies over my property and I'll shoot it down, but then I don't (WONT) live in a town.. is that really living anyway?

 

[KSDeputy]

No, living in a town isn't living, which is why I live out in the county. If one flys over my acreage, it's mine.

 

[dakota1911]

How about I am flying my drone in my yard and learning to fly it and it bashes your drone that came into my yard and they both crash. Of course my drone will be a cheap drone. When you come around my story is your drone flew off in the distance or maybe I destroyed both of them trying to seperate them and give you what is left of yours back in a sack. I can see it now. Drone wars.

 

[dakota1911]

Think about the next level. Young kids, and I was one once, will build drones to wack other drones for fun. Down the road if drones start carrying packages bad guys can wack the drone and get what is in the package.

 

[A.O.]

Think about the next level. Young kids, and I was one once, will build drones to wack other drones for fun. Down the road if drones start carrying packages bad guys can wack the drone and get what is in the package.

Whoa.. getting deep here... drug smuggling drones, probably speaking only mexican , just another good reason to shoot them down I'm thinking!!

 

[Pondoro]

Another version of this story from a little different perspective:
Kentucky man shoots down drone hovering over his backyard | Ars Technica
Nice picture of Mr. Merideth (provided by him).

Funny, the comments at Ars Techica are mostly in favor of the guy who shot it, the comments here are about 50/50.

 

[Fastbolt]

"Common sense" may sometimes be more elusive in its definition that the "reasonable man" doctrine.

FWIW, just because someone may think that suspected rudeness is equivalent to actual unlawful behavior, and they go "get their gun", that doesn't necessarily mean that they're correct.

Sometimes it seems to take a whirl through the criminal (and/or civil) justice system to recalibrate their reasoning process.

 

[A.O.]

Yeah but you're in california...

 

[Gamecock]

A drone flown into my yard is the same to me as looking in my windows. Should I shoot down the Peeping Tom's proxy, it's owner should fear prosecution for a sex crime, and WOULDN'T DARE COME FORWARD. The police should investigate to find the drone's owner, with intent of prosecution. Arresting the homeowner who shot it down is bassackwards.

 

[Fastbolt]

Yeah but you're in california...

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