Any ideas why this brought $4250?

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serial number 30 and the condition.

Charlie

Yes, but, in my opinion, neither of these attributes are extraordinary. Serial number 30, a series within a series. Condition definitely above average, but not enough to warrant a significant premium.
 
Pretty tough for it to be a birthyear gun for someone but that is always a factor, I know I've chased a few for that reason but bailed because it wasn't the right caliber to go crazy on. Condition is everything, the serial number could also be big...there are so many variables with auctions.
 
Yes, but, in my opinion, neither of these attributes are extraordinary. Serial number 30, a series within a series. Condition definitely above average, but not enough to warrant a significant premium.

I don't think that's a significant premium these days. More and more people are interested in guns, and triple locks have a particular mystique. All it takes is one guy getting out of cars and into guns who wants a good example of a triple lock, fighting someone else who really wants it.

Guns are very very cheap for a lot of guys who are wealthy.
 
I don't think that's a significant premium these days. More and more people are interested in guns, and triple locks have a particular mystique. All it takes is one guy getting out of cars and into guns who wants a good example of a triple lock, fighting someone else who really wants it.

Guns are very very cheap for a lot of guys who are wealthy.

Guns ARE cheap, relative to other stuff you could blow your money on. And, I guess if you sell a few cars at Barratt-Jackson, a grand total of $4,887.50 could seem like chump change. But I, personally, like to feel like I got a deal!
 
More than triple what I would have expected...

If you ever want to sell any TLs, give me a call. :D

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Show me a pic of another 455 TL that nice. ;)
In 50+ years of handling these guns, it is the 2nd nicest one I have seen.
Then, a 2 digit number is worth whatever it is worth to the bidder.

This is the ONLY one nicer I have ever seen-
The Young LT's Triple Lock .455
 
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#1. I don't think it was over paid for!

#2. It's labeled a mishmash of the four different models of 455: "Commercial First Model .455 Hand Ejector Mark II Triple Lock Double Action Revolver with British Proofs" and it can only be one of those.


The four versions of 455 chambered TLs:

The first 3 are for the British military contract:

1. 44 HE - 1st Model factory conversions to 455. These serial #s are known and they do not include serial #30.

2. 455 HE - 1st Model originally built as 455s. Serial #s 1 to 5461.
It could be and is most likely one of these.

3. 455 HE - 2nd Model. These are the Mark IIs and stamped as such by the British, but are not TLs and therefore can not be the subjest TL.

4. Then there is the commercial 44 HE -1st Model not built for the British contract. We've seen them chambered in other cartridges which are the rarest of TL chamberings, like 44 Russian, 38/40, 44/40, 45 Colt, and 455 versions (Eley, Webley, Mk II, etc.). Unless someone knows what the commercial TL #30 is chambered in by letter or from the database, conceivably this could be the subject TL, and the rarest of 455s made.

It's well known the British were scrambling for handguns and swept the USA for any commercial models of reasonably suitable calibers for defense of their homeland.

A letter is mandatory IMHO. The auction TL clearly did not see military service unless it was from the holster of an officer. Officers were responsible for providing their own sidearm. It could have been ordered directly from S&W as a commercial model 44 HE - 1st Model chambered for the 455.

But whichever it is, the number is very low and the condition is extremely fine.
 
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The pre-auction estimate for this one was $1800 to $2750. Of course, this is an estimate only, and hammer prices can vary wildly from estimates, but I guess unless I really want something very incredibly badly, or, if the estimate is inexplicably low, I am not one who is inclined to bid markedly over the high end estimate. I want to at least feel like I got a "deal", but, whether or not this is actually true could be open to debate.

Since knowledge is power (!!!), I cracked open SCSW, 4th Edition, and here is what it states, page 195: .455 Mark II Hand Ejector 1st Model: ANIB: $8000, Exc +, $6000, Exc, $4000. The minor pitting on the barrel of this one did bother me, but it still is at least Excellent although not Excellent +. The SCSW does state, p. 12, that "we have tried to reflect the actual marketplace prices at which items exchange hands between a buyer and a seller, both of whom are willing and motivated to close a deal in a gun show type setting." Of course, the book goes on to explain the caveats and how prices can vary wildly. What this book is NOT, when it comes to valuation, and this is a breath of fresh air, is full retail and then some, as most of the other books are (except Flayderman's, which, if you can purchase anything remotely close to what he states, a bargain indeed! Granted, his book contains valuations from some time ago, but I would argue they seem low even for when as published). So, I suppose the price paid yesterday, in light of the facts, is not full retail--but close to it--and is a "fair" price to the right person. Of course, there is the possibility of a bidding war, more or less, and one bidder decided he or she had to have this gun for up to $4,000, and the next bidder did not, and his or her bid of $4250 became the hammer price.
 
That figure might shock me and the hot dog vendor, but I don't think you have to be a computer whiz kid to pay that much. Look at all the old coots who have been pinching pennies all their lives and have beaucoup stashed away in retirement accounts. (Present company excluded of course! :rolleyes: )

Is it that hard to believe that such a person might say "I have always wanted one, I am not going to live forever, oh heck, I'm gonna peel off four grand and get it!" He might even convince himself it is a better investment than the stock market.

It's well known the British were scrambling for handguns and swept the USA for any commercial models of reasonably suitable calibers for defense of their homeland.
You can say that again. They were even buying copies of the S&W top break from various makers in Spain! Chambered in .455 of course.
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It's good for us guys who have one.

But Lee's that was owned by the Canadian Lt. was the most beautiful, complete and well researched I've ever seen.
 
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