Anybody hunt with a SxS double trigger shotgun?

Triggers are easily learned, you will do it without even thinking
about it. When I was younger I use to loose a shot with pump
guns. I was used to Brn A5s as main shotgun, when using a pump, I would"forget" to pump it. Even the dogs would look at
me like I was a rookie, as the bird flew away.
 
I don't hunt with them, because I can't hit anythng with a shotgun. But I do have a very pretty Darne 28 gauge, and a pretty Charlin 12 gauge. I take out the old clay bird slinger and shoot holes in the air with them.
 

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I shoot mostly pumps and SxS's.
The last SxS I owned w/a single trigger was as a (Savage)Fox BSE 16ga and that was in the 60's.

I repair lots of single triggers for fellow shooters on everything from Win21's, Parker, LCSmith, Ithaca, AH Fox,,ect. Even a couple Ruger Gold Labels of late.
Problems w/single triggers (selective single triggers) are probably the #1 mechanical problem complaint from SxS gun owners. Next is ejector problems of some sort.


Absolutely nothing wrong w/a DT SxS and this thing about 'learning to use them' is just so much bunk.
It's not a science or something you need a Community College course to be able to catch on to.
Like Drm50 says,,you do it w/o even thinking.

Shoot the doubles in skeet 'backwards' to take advantage of the chokes and you don't even have to switch triggers.

Some 'spensive SxS's have a 'hinged' front trigger. It allows the front trigger to pivot forward when the rear trigger is pulled.
Recoil from that second (rear) bbl shot can sometimes force the trigger finger forward into the back of the front trigger.
The hinged effect of the front trigger dampens the recoils effect on your finger.
It's actually found more on double rifles than shotguns where heavy recoil can be quite a bruiser.
But it's a nice option on SxS's too if the loads are hefty, and/or the gun is extremely light weight and your trigger finger is taking a beating on that second shot.
 
My initial shotgunning was a Stevens M94 single shot 410. Dad had Gramps White Powder single shot 12 gauge and a Stevens 311 in 16 gauge. I was good at pulling the hammer back and picking up on 2 triggers was much easier.

For years I hunted birds with 2 trigger doubles, Parkers and AH Fox.
When a group of us started shooting sporting clays I used the old SS guns. Then I went thru some kind of fever or sumthing and ended up with an O/U set up for sporting.

I miss quail and pheasant hunting with my Elhew pointer. I also bought Chukar, released them and turned my Elhew girl on them. I had a PArker 12 gauge in A grade, damascus bbls. I stopped at a gun shop that was closing, he had 7 or 8 boxes of Navy 12 gauge Black Powder shells, cheap. I bought them. Hunting chukar and blowing out BP smoke was lots of fun.

Killed lots of Ducks with autos. Ithaca MAg 10. I had it shortened to 26" from a FULL 30" and had screw in chokes installed so I could use the new fangled steel shot.

Bagged lots of Turkeys with the Mag 10 also. I actually traded it for the A grade Parker.

Most of my hunting, plinking at clays and HD is now tied to a pump shotgun.
 
Going turkey hunting tomorrow morning with one. My old fox is full and ic. Throws tight patterns for most shots, and the ic for when mr tom makes a charge.

I hope you score. I have to wait until May 2 for our turkey season to open. I went and did a little spotting this morning.

A couple of years ago I used my 12 gauge Fox AE to kill a turkey. The Fox has 32 inch barrels choked full and fuller. It did the job. This year I plan on using my Damascus barreled Parker GH.

Here are some photos from this morning. And my turkey taken with the Fox.

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I don't hunt with them, because I can't hit anythng with a shotgun. I take out the old clay bird slinger and shoot holes in the air with them.

Cyrano--The inability to hit anything with a shotgun does not slow down any of the hunters I know! And "shooting holes in the air" generally describes my dove hunting. Although I make up for the holes by filling them with red-hot profanity. And think of the Ammo manufacturers too! I bet I can keep at least one production line in operation the opening week of dove season.
 
I've always hunted with a pump shotgun, tried automatics a couple of times and didn't like them for some reason so I switched back to my Mossberg pump. It does everything I want and brings down the game, but I'm just a hair too slow with it on quail so I thought I might get a new gun. I never liked over/unders so I bought a CZ Ringneck side by side 20 gauge with single trigger and I freaking loved that gun and I was deadly with it. I then sold it for some strange reason and I still can't figure out why I sold it but recently saw they stopped making the Ringneck so I bought an old Ugartachea 12 gauge. It has the english straight grip and double triggers, and is in mint condition and I've never shot a gun with double triggers before I hope the learning curve isn't too bad.

I do. Very effective on Quail. I love it. A Remington Baikal... has served me well over the years. Lightweight and fun to chase and shoot. It is all I use for game birds.

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I have the exact same gun, 12 ga straight grip choked I/C and I/M. I have more trouble remembering to take the auto safety off than using a double trigger. I had never used a double trigger until I got this gun (just a few months ago). I'm used to single barrel trap and O/U skeet guns. The SXS is "fun" to shoot. I do need to learn to shoot it a lot better. I've shot a few rounds of skeet with it, and really like it.
 
I haven't done it in years but because of cowboy action shooting I've had several long barreled SxS/double trigger guns so I used them for doves a time or three. Since I'm a terrible wing shot I didn't find them any more useful or less useful than a pump gun. Mine were/are all vintage guns, 12 gauge originally, then 16 gauge.
 
I hope you score. I have to wait until May 2 for our turkey season to open. I went and did a little spotting this morning.
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Here are some photos from this morning. And my turkey taken with the Fox.

Thanks for the great pics Bill.
I can see why Ben Franklin wanted the turkey for our national symbol.
Showing my ignorance, I didn't know turkeys ranged to Utah.
Are those pics up in the Wasatch?
BTW, you mentioned hunting turkeys with a Damascus barreled gun. I have my great-grandfather's 12 ga. Lefever double with Damascus barrels. Bore is good and it's lockup is good and tight, triggers and safety work. I shot squirrels with it as a teenager, but darned if I can remember the shells we used back then. My uncle supplied them. What will you use for turkeys or recommend? I'd like to shoot my old gun, maybe at turkeys around our country place but more likely squirrels. I'm not an experienced shotgunner and wouldn't want to hurt the old girl with too strong a load.
 
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I have a SxS that hunted "Highwaymen" 136 years ago.........
that messed with the Wells Fargo Stage.

But to be honest, no...........
just a 36 Navy Colt, that is a kick in the butt.
 
The nice thing about good quality doubles is they never go out of style(Not for most of us anyway) and they'll continue to perform as well as any new gun if properly maintained.
Here's one of my favorites it's an L C Smith side lock ejector gun built in 1903. At 113 years old I in no way feel handicapped hunting with it! It has both a single selective trigger and ejectors and fortunately for me I've had no problems with either of them.
Jim
 
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I hunted pheasant with a side by side with double triggers. Worked well
for selecting which barrel to use for close and far birds. I think you will
like the doubles.
 
Thanks for the great pics Bill.
I can see why Ben Franklin wanted the turkey for our national symbol.
Showing my ignorance, I didn't know turkeys ranged to Utah.
Are those pics up in the Wasatch?
BTW, you mentioned hunting turkeys with a Damascus barreled gun. I have my great-grandfather's 12 ga. Lefever double with Damascus barrels. Bore is good and it's lockup is good and tight, triggers and safety work. I shot squirrels with it as a teenager, but darned if I can remember the shells we used back then. My uncle supplied them. What will you use for turkeys or recommend? I'd like to shoot my old gun, maybe at turkeys around our country place but more likely squirrels. I'm not an experienced shotgunner and wouldn't want to hurt the old girl with too strong a load.

Turkey hunting here is getting pretty decent and yes, theses were taken in a local canyon here on the Wasatch Front Range.

I do love Lefever shotguns. A number of years ago I passed a up a mid level grade Lefever. I've been kicking my self for not adding it to the safe.

One really nice things about Lefever side lock guns is if they get loose you can adjust the ball screw that acts as a hinge and tighten it right up.

Damascus guns are not a "black powder" only as goes the old wives tale. Many Damascus guns were built and proofed for smokeless powder. By about 1895 to 1900 smokeless loads were in regular use.

As to loads, provide the barrels are sound and the bores free of pits it very well may be safe to shoot with lower pressure loads from manufactures like RST, Gamebore, Polywad and B&P.

I own two Damascus barreled guns. A Belgian double and Parker GH. The Belgian gun was manufactured somewhere between 1896 and 1905. The original service load is stamped on the barrels by the Belgian proof house. It is a 3 dram 1 1/8 smokeless load.

My Damascus barreled Parker GH was manufactured in 1924 which is very late for a Damascus gun. Parker used the same proof loads Damascus or fluid steel.

Both guns have great bores and sound barrels. I plan on using Gamebore Pure Gold 2 1/2 in. 32 gm #6 shot loads. They pattern very well out of the Parker. With it's full and fuller choking it should the job easily on Tom within 35 yards.

I would say have a gunsmith that really has experience with side by side and more so Damascus barreled guns give the Lefever a good looking over. If all is in order go ahead and order some RT shells and shoot it some.

Here is my Parker with a sage grouse from last Fall. There is something special about using a classic old side by side with double trigger for what it's maker intended.

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All this turkey talk has brought on lots of gobbling, i mean talking.

Bill I keep splaining that I used to have 6 Parkers and Philadelphia Foxes and when I sold them at the divorce I shied away from even looking or touching them. They have a a pull for a user that is stronger than the new synthetic stuff on the street. For a while I thought I was gonna have to go to Double's rehab.

I hear you and understand proofing for most BP shotguns, the problem is, there are plenty of old uncared for for border line guns.

I personally would not have any issues with a solid gun and have used low brass smokeless ammo in damascus.


Oh, Bill you said a pic of the turkey by your Fox. And then said scouting, do you scout with a double to keep coyotes off you? :)

For some of the guys who have not done it and want to shoot low power loads.

My first 12 after my 410 was my Grandfathers White powder Wonder.

Long barrel and full choke, I shot lots of squirrels and rabbits with it. All using low brass ammo.

When I lived in the middle of the original Turkey Mecca I took it one year for opening day of the 2nd week. I used my 7.5 reloads, they worked well in doubles or pumps but were a little weak and didn't function in Autos. I killed the largest turkey I'd ever seen, the shot peppered the head and neck. That is pretty basic compared to a 3.5 inch modern turkey gun.

Also for you gents that are just starting, do not look at the turkeys body when it's time to shoot, after you verify it has a beard, usually the fluffy ones strutting and gobbling. Except on cool or wet days, they may just wander around, look for the beard.

When you shoot line the bbl up on the head. I usually hold the bead under the head at the jaw. Like a rifle, squeeze the trigger.

Pump in another round in the chamber just in case.

I've killed a semi full of Deer and a lesser truck full of turkeys.

Deer brings a different reward than turkeys. Deer are quiet, sneaky and camoflaged. When a deer is brought to bag one feels elated, glad to have meat for the larder and then it is nice if it has a good rack.

Turkey on the other hand are only quiet sometimes, sneaky and well cammo'ed. When they are gobbling your BP rises, you find yourself purely excited. While the gobble just out of sight or range you may find breathing a little difficult, as in remembering to actually breath.

When it hits the ground be ready for a follow up, I knocked down quite a few that bounced up like they were on a trampoline. They can go airborne as quick as a pheasant or Quail and can move fast, they can wiggle around trees and you can watch the rise and hit a ridge a half a mile away while you're brain is still saying I hit hem what happened.

And that is exactly what happened on the first one I knocked down that bounced up. 20 or 30 before him had stayed down. I saw it several more times but was ready.

I've killed more turkey in jeans and a dark shirt than camo. Turkeys are pretty lustful but be ready or they will beat a fast retreat.

Legs. Turkeys have long legs and they can run about 88 MPH it seems.

They can be airborne in a leap to roost or take 2 quick steps and be airborne for the next ridge.

Be aware of your surroundings. Hunters wear camo.

My brother was one of the best turkey hunters ever until he quit.
He can move better than D. Boone, he sounds like a Gobbler or hen. He quit because folks would hear him and move it to get a bird. HE was sitting by a large Oak, waiting to shoot a Tom he called in, when BOOM! a guy had set up a tree or 2 behind him and shot the gobbler. Bro yelled out the guys heritage and the fella ran off, Bro pick up the bird and never has hunted public land again.

Keep your eyes open and your neck turning, like ole Tom hisself.

Good luck to all of you.
 
it is a fact that Damascus barrels were often speck'd on later guns at the beginning of the smokeless era, in fact many shot gunners preferred the barrels when compared to the early steel barrels and the prices were higher for the Damascus guns versus the early sheet steel barrels

the difference in quality was in the number of wires (steel and iron) that created the laminated steel in the Damascus barrels a barrel made with an 8 wire twist was stronger than one with a 3 wire twist

here is a good resource on these barrels
https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home
 

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