Anyone carry one?

For what it may be worth, I have a small but steady demand for concealment holsters for Colt SAA's, Ruger NM Blackhawks and Vaqueros. So I know that there are some folks out there relying on these weapons for defensive use.

Ray, I didn't buy this one from you with concealment in mind, but it conceals just fine under a Polo type shirt. I carried it for a day or two last week just to see how it works. I went to Wally World, through the drive-through at Chic fil A.:D, through the Harbor Freight cheap tool store, pumped my gas, to the Tractor Supply, Northern Tools, went to the convenience store for a Mountain Dew, etc. I was pleasantly surprised at how well the Vaquero rode. I had on a good stout belt, and a long pullover shirt. Never did I feel like I was exposing the gun. It won't be my regular carry piece, but I will certainly carry it some. Thanks for the great leather.

I feel as confident with this piece as I do with any I own. I have put 500 or so rounds through it in the last few months, and it is a dream to shoot. I figure if I can't get it done with five or six, I'm in the deep doo-doo anyhow. I can understand how a LEO might feel under gunned with a six shot revolver, but to me, it is ridiculous to say that a civilian who is competent with his weapon is under gunned with six rounds of .45ACP, even in a Single Action.

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I concur. I like the feel and point ability of em. Plus 6 rounds of 357, 44, or 45 should be sufficient to get you to a rifle
 
I would, but I would also have my lcp, or another small pistol as a backup. My colts draw and point naturally for me, but maybe that is a product of too many spaghetti westerns when I was younger.
 
Sure I've carried single action sixgun on occasion. I'm not in the highest crime area , and when I go even more 'rural' , I'll carry a Blackhawk or Uberti SAA. I don't feel the need to dress all ninja-tactikool with a hi-cap poly-plastic 9mm tricked out with extended mags , lazers & lights ,etc.

Why do so many feel that any 'anti-social encounter' will be against 6 or more highly trained , well armed wanna-be SEALs?

Doesn't mean I devalue my life as I can hit whatever I aim at with them. Especially some smoked-up inner-city gangsta holding a plastic pistol sideways!

When I do go to the 'big city' , I do carry 'modern' pistols , like my Colt Combat Commander! That hold 8 rounds!
 
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Until I just recently picked up my 3" 1911 S&W Pro Series for concealed carry, I would either pack my Sig or my 4 5/8" Ruger Blackhawk. I have had the Ruger for several years now, and have practiced quite a bit with it. I also subscribe to the idea that your first shot is the most important, and with the Ruger I am confident that the first shot will go exactly where I want it to go. No fumbling with levers or trying for a perfect two-handed grip in a technically correct shooting position. The Ruger slides easily out of the Mernickle PS6 holster I have just for that purpose. Follow-up shots are not all that slow, either. I fire one handed using a plow handle grip that rotates in my hand like it should. My thumb catches the hammer spur on the way back down and by the time the barrel is pointed at my target I am ready to fire again.

I used to carry hand loads in the big ole revolver because finding defensive ammo in .45 Colt was not an easy thing. I would load up a 250gr Keith type bullet to go around the 950fps mark. I felt that was a good combo of power and control. I have since gone with some commercial hollowpoints for it (Winchester PDX 1 Bonded).

The Blackhawk has spent more time in the safe, though, now that I rotate between the Smith and the Sig Pro 2022 more. I would still feel very comfortable and not at all out classed if I chose to carry it.

Old pic does not show the Mernickle holster, and the rounds shown are the Hornady Leverevolution, which I no longer carry.

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Way back in the last century I was a young married man with children and working as hard as I could to support them. The only two handguns that I had were a 22 High Standard and a second generation Colt 357 with 4 5/8" barrel. I occasionally carried the Colt since it was the only large sidearm available to me at the time. I didn't feel any disadvantage, at least not for the first five shots.
 
There is no reason for anyone to carry or use a single action revolver in a defensive context, unless that is all one can lay one's hands upon in an emergency. They have absolutely no advantages over any number of proven, modern designs.

It seems to be polite to say "to each his own" or "I guess it's OK if you can shoot it well." My view is that anybody choosing a single action revolver for CCW is fantasizing and is not taking personal defense seriously.

SA revolvers are elegant artifacts and make nice arms for sporting purposes, and maybe some day will buy a pretty one.

I do not allow them in my NRA personal protection courses.
 
There is no reason for anyone to carry or use a single action revolver in a defensive context, unless that is all one can lay one's hands upon in an emergency. They have absolutely no advantages over any number of proven, modern designs.

It seems to be polite to say "to each his own" or "I guess it's OK if you can shoot it well." My view is that anybody choosing a single action revolver for CCW is fantasizing and is not taking personal defense seriously.

SA revolvers are elegant artifacts and make nice arms for sporting purposes, and maybe some day will buy a pretty one.

I do not allow them in my NRA personal protection courses.
I would respectfully disagree. There are people who shoot all kinds of cowboy matches with these things, and are very, very proficient. So much so that they may be more proficient with them more than any other type. When you are running on instinct and training I would think that whichever tool you had at your disposal should be the one you are most familiar with. Sure, there will always be the latest, and greatest, someone to tell you that yours should be retired to history, but it comes down to personal preference, comfort, and ability. 5-6 rounds should do the trick, if not then you probably should avoid that area.
 
That 3.75" barrel seems hard to hide :)

Actually, given the frame size it's a wee bit on the too short size, but not excessively so.

Per several very noted holster makers who specialized in making sure your piece stayed hidden, the barrel needs to have a certain length to ride against your body and force the frame of the pistol into the body.

Since the barrel of the pistol rides pretty much up and down on the body, the length of it doesn't really matter that much. Popular opinion to the contrary. If you're sticking it in a pocket, that's another story but that's not a real good place for a primary reactionary defensive tool. ['Scuse me while I stand up and dig my pistol out of my pocket!]
 
I don't have SA only but have a few SA/DA revolvers. I am far more accurate in SA mode than in DA mode. Why are are revolvers that are exclusively SA be less accurate? Someone please explain the logic there. BTW I've been told that prosecutors have a field day when there is a shooting in SA. Yiogo
 
There is no reason for anyone to carry or use a single action revolver in a defensive context, unless that is all one can lay one's hands upon in an emergency. They have absolutely no advantages over any number of proven, modern designs.

It seems to be polite to say "to each his own" or "I guess it's OK if you can shoot it well." My view is that anybody choosing a single action revolver for CCW is fantasizing and is not taking personal defense seriously.

SA revolvers are elegant artifacts and make nice arms for sporting purposes, and maybe some day will buy a pretty one.

I do not allow them in my NRA personal protection courses.

I kinda think anyone taking such a course is probably not a seasoned shooter. I realize some states limit your carry weapon to whatever ya might have trained and qualified with.
Some of us have been handling a single action sixgun for many , many years (35 in my case) and simply feel comfortable with it. We know our sixguns , we know our surroundings , we know our limitations. I doubt many street thugs are as competant with their (stolen) weapon.

Going to the ATM at midnite , I feel no more vunerable carrying my Ruger Blackhawk .41 or Cimarron SAA .45 than if I were packing my Colt Commander , Browning Hi-Power or CZ-75.
 
I don't carry SA revolvers, in fact the only ones I have right now are black powder. However, I see nothing wrong with those who chose to carry this way, and in fact, they have enough advantages that I could see getting a 3 1/2" Sheriffs Model one of these days and putting it in the rotation.

They are big, yes, to control the powerful rounds they can hold. They are trimmer and lighter though than most other guns that are chambered for the .45LC, .44mag, .44spl, or that can handle full house .357mag. They aren't any harder to conceal than a S&W L-frame, and certainly easier to conceal than a S&W N-frame, big DA Ruger, or large frame Taurus. In a gun that is big, but reasonably concealable, you can carry 5 rounds (or 6 in a Ruger, Taurus, Freedom Arms, or Beretta with modern safety features) of some fairly potent handgun rounds. With a good holster and belt combination, most people would be able to carry a SA revolver.

The Colt SAA, clones and tributes have a grip design that many still consider one of the best ever made. They point as naturally as your finger. Most people can be quite accurate with them, and the guns will do their part if you can do yours.

Slow follow up shots? Not really. Sure, you need to train with it to be proficient, but that is true of any gun. If you shoot one handed, the recoil puts the hammer right back under your thumb for easy cocking, and you can get pretty fast with a little practice. Use a two handed hold and cock with your left thumb and with practice you can shoot it as fast as any modern handgun.

For some people, a SA revolver may make the most sense as their carry gun. If you shoot CAS or SASS you have probably invested a lot of practice and training in shooting your SA revolver. You will probably be more familiar with your SA revolver than any other gun you own. Under stress, we revert back to our training. If you carry a DA revolver instead of a SA, most likely you'll find yourself manually cocking the gun and shooting it SA anyway.

They are immensely reliable. Many people cite the reliability of a DA revolver as their reason to carry one over the more modern and higher capacity (and more easily concealed) auto. Well, a SA revolver has even less that can go wrong than a DA revolver, and many of the more modern designs are more reliable than any DA revolver.

OK, they only hold 5 or 6 rounds. That is true of many/most revolvers. When I'm in a state where I can carry I usually carry a J-frame which holds 5 rounds of the much less powerful .38+P.

Slow reloads? Yes, this is its biggest disadvantage. However, I wonder how many CCW holders actually carry an extra mag or a speedloader. Then, how many who do actually practice enough that they could reload a DA revolver reasonably quickly in a self defense situation? Personally, I find a backup pistol of some sort to be more practical than carrying a reload: they are faster to deploy, and should something go wrong with my primary, I still have a gun to put into action. Finally, FBI stats still say the average self-defense shooting will end in 3 shots. While one can always be one of the outliers, the chances of needing a reload are quite low.

Are they necessarily the best choice? No. Are they a bad choice for most of us? No.

If you are a cop and may have to go charging into an active crime scene, you probably don't want a SA revolver. For non-law enforcement self defense use, it can be a viable choice. In fact, it can be a pretty potent defensive weapon. Some people prefer SA only autos, others like DA/SA with the old S&W frame mounted safeties, others like DA/SA with a decocker only, others prefer DAO. Some of us like hammers on our autos, and others like strikers. Some of us like DA revolvers, and some people carry SA revolvers. It is a personal choice. Pick what you are most comfortable with. However, any of these choices will do the job if you can, and I see no reason to disparage the choices of those who choose differently than I do.
 
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I'd bet some old school Texas Rangers were still carrying single action sixguns into the 90s , or whenever they were forced to hang 'em up and 'standardize' on dept issued autos. Bet some kicked up quite a fuss.

I'd bet some sheriffs are still carrying them today wherever lawmen still ride horses.
 
This could de-volve to a debate like the "cocked and locked" vs. (improperly titled) "Israeli method" of semi auto carry!:rolleyes:
Our personal experience gets carried into the arena of self defense, and not near as many people will have their early life experience involve single action, I imagine.
So, SA will continue to be less common. But when the smoke clears, it still comes back to the man with the gun in his hand. Was he willing and proficient with the tool he chose.
 
They have absolutely no advantages over any number of proven, modern designs............My view is that anybody choosing a single action revolver for CCW is fantasizing and is not taking personal defense seriously..........I do not allow them in my NRA personal protection courses.

Is the NRA aware of your position on these matters regarding the use of single-action revolvers for purposes of self-defense??
 
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