Price isn't a factor. I just paid $376.00 for a CM9.
Anyone else notice the irritation from Kahr owners about the shield
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Price isn't a factor. I just paid $376.00 for a CM9.
Which begs the question:
Is the Shield to be considered more equal to the CM9 ($400) or the PM9 ($650)?
Equal in who's mind? Depends on the buyer. Either gun will serve it's purpose depending on what the buyer wants/needs.
Like I said in my previous post, the Kahr is slightly smaller. I have no doubts that the Shield is a good gun. But I decided it wasn't for me.
My M&P 9C serves a dual purpose. Warm weather concealment with a flush fit mag and cool weather concealment with a full size mag and X-Grip adapter.
The Kahr is for pocket carry only.
Arguing the merits of either gun doesn't make sense. At least we have more to choose from.
The next argument will be when the Springfield XDS 45 hits the shelves.
If dovetailed sights are important to you then maybe they are comparible. But in most cases, size is the biggest consideration. Other factors which may be more important to some are the trigger and the manual safety. But again, the determining factor in my purchase of the Kahr was size.
I was answering the question posed by the other guy. Which one of the Kahrs would be comparable to the Shield - either the PM9 or the cheaper version. THAT was my analysis of HIS question.
Now, I've stated many times (maybe even further up on this thread) - I HAD a PM9. I got the Shield, and decided that I liked the Shield more. The Kahr is a little smaller. But honestly, not by much. For pocket carry in the clothes I wear, or IWB carry - the size between the two guns is nil for me. But, the trigger is better on the Shield, IMHO. I also can double tap with it better, and I like the gun overall more. Plus, the Shield has a noticable less amount of recoil.
I sold my PM9 a week ago, as I knew I'd never use it again. And, I have plans to buy a 2nd Shield, as soon as I locate another.
Now, I've stated many times (maybe even further up on this thread) - I HAD a PM9. I got the Shield, and decided that I liked the Shield more. The Kahr is a little smaller. But honestly, not by much. For pocket carry in the clothes I wear, or IWB carry - the size between the two guns is nil for me. But, the trigger is better on the Shield, IMHO. I also can double tap with it better, and I like the gun overall more. Plus, the Shield has a noticable less amount of recoil.
I sold my PM9 a week ago, as I knew I'd never use it again. And, I have plans to buy a 2nd Shield, as soon as I locate another.
The PM and CM Kahrs are indeed the same size. The basic differences are the PM has a polygonal rifled barrel, dovetailed front sight, machined slide stop lever, roll marking on the slide and comes standard with a second magazine. The CM has a conventional rifled barrel, pinned front sight, MIM slide stop lever, simple engraving on the slide and comes standard with one magazine. The features of the Shield probably falls in between both of the Kahrs. Quality is subjective. I've owned and confidently carried a PM9 for more than ten years. That statement speaks for itself on my impression of it. I've only had the Shield for about a month, but preliminarily believe it's going to give the PM9 a run for its money.
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jim28080
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I've had a P380 for about a year and a half. I have had absolutely zero problems with it. I have put a bunch of my reloads and lots of range ammo through it as well as several types of defensive ammo.
It replaced a Ruger LCP that I bought when they first came out. They are true pocket guns, but the Kahr is head and shoulders above the LCP. Much easier to shoot recoil wise and servicable sights.I can shoot the P380 better than any snubbie I've ever tried.
No matter what is on my belt the P380 is in my pocket.
arizona98tj
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Being both a S&W and Kahr owner (among more than a half dozen other brands of quality firearms), what they are talking about is no different than what is being written in this thread, just the other brand of handgun.
It is silly to see such threads being started by both sides about the other.
No, it isn't. Not when someone is trying to say that the Shield is x number of ounces heavier than a Kahr PM9... And, those handful of ounces (the difference) could get someone killed if they are running - holding a four year old child... And, that if you did this with the Kahr, you might be fine... But the tiny, tiny bit heavier Shield, in your pocket as it bounces, could make all the difference in the world in surviving...
While I am on an iPad right now, so it's harder to copy and paste... This is my memory of a post there by an ardent anti shield guy who just kept going and going about why the Kahr is better.
This was foremost on my mind when I started this thread. I stated that this was the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on a gun forum as to why one gun is better than another gun. My post on the Kahr Talk website was deleted.
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Ok, here is the thread - I am on a PC now. This was from one guy who just wouldn't let it go:
Now, I am/was a Kahr owner until last week. I like the Shield better. Admittedly, I REALLY prefer a DA/SA gun with an external hammer. So, is the Shield my perfect gun? No, it is not. But, I do like it better than my 2.5 year old Kahr PM9.
But, to use the above reason as a reason to buy the Kahr over the Shield is just ridiculous to me... And, while I didn't curse or name call, I said so. And, that post was deleted. Continuing to read a few more posts afterwards just let me to staring this thread, after seeing some such pro-Kahr guys being blinded by anything else without a "K" on the slide....
Now, I am/was a Kahr owner until last week. I like the Shield better. Admittedly, I REALLY prefer a DA/SA gun with an external hammer. So, is the Shield my perfect gun? No, it is not. But, I do like it better than my 2.5 year old Kahr PM9.
But, to use the above reason as a reason to buy the Kahr over the Shield is just ridiculous to me... And, while I didn't curse or name call, I said so. And, that post was deleted. Continuing to read a few more posts afterwards just let me to staring this thread, after seeing some such pro-Kahr guys being blinded by anything else without a "K" on the slide....
That is a bit of a caution, isn't it? 
But there is nothing wrong with mindless jabbering about which guns we like best. It would be a terribly dull world without polite disagreement. To be honest, I am a little surprised we are not still discussing the .357 vs. .45 Auto thing - more than what we are.
But there is nothing wrong with mindless jabbering about which guns we like best. It would be a terribly dull world without polite disagreement. To be honest, I am a little surprised we are not still discussing the .357 vs. .45 Auto thing - more than what we are.I don't have a problem about what gun we like best - but to blindfully dismiss a gun, based on zero experience or anything factual... That's ridiculous...
I have my favorite too. But, I typically don't go complaining about other stuff... Well, except for Taurus products
I have my favorite too. But, I typically don't go complaining about other stuff... Well, except for Taurus products
xopher88x
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I blindly dismiss lots of guns. I can't afford not to.
Chowser
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I never understood all this brand loyalty, brand bashing. if someone likes the gun, that's fine. it's their gun. no need to bash them about it.
i started with a Beretta 92F. i still have it. i've since gotten SIGs, HKs, Glocks (only S&W I had experience with was the 4046 as my first duty weapon which no one liked). i am currently issued a Glock 31 at work and carry a Glock 33 and Kahr CM9 as backups/offduties.
the 33 and CM9 were both less than $400 before tax. i pocket carry the CM9 and hip carry the 33. i have a Shield on order with our local S&W L.E. dealer and a gen4 Glock 32 on order with the local Glock L.E. dealer.
My plan is to replace my 33 with the 32 for hip carry and I will try the CM9 and Shield out side by side and decide which to keep for pocket carry. the other gun becomes just another home gun. (we're only allowed to have two other weapons as off-duty/backup that are authorized by the department and must be 9mm/.40/.45/.357)
So, if the Shield works ok for pocket carry, then it will replace my CM9. If it doesn't, then it'll become another gun around the house.
i still like and shoot my HKs and SIGs even though I don't carry them anymore.
and I see people bashing Taurus all the time. I went through my academy with a Taurus PT-99 in 1997. it still shoots great after 15 years and I never had a problem with it.
the only gun I ever had a problem with was a SIG P239 in .357sig. I kept having feeding problems. I converted it over to .40cal and it worked fine. Weird since it came from the factory as a .357, but what works works.
i started with a Beretta 92F. i still have it. i've since gotten SIGs, HKs, Glocks (only S&W I had experience with was the 4046 as my first duty weapon which no one liked). i am currently issued a Glock 31 at work and carry a Glock 33 and Kahr CM9 as backups/offduties.
the 33 and CM9 were both less than $400 before tax. i pocket carry the CM9 and hip carry the 33. i have a Shield on order with our local S&W L.E. dealer and a gen4 Glock 32 on order with the local Glock L.E. dealer.
My plan is to replace my 33 with the 32 for hip carry and I will try the CM9 and Shield out side by side and decide which to keep for pocket carry. the other gun becomes just another home gun. (we're only allowed to have two other weapons as off-duty/backup that are authorized by the department and must be 9mm/.40/.45/.357)
So, if the Shield works ok for pocket carry, then it will replace my CM9. If it doesn't, then it'll become another gun around the house.
i still like and shoot my HKs and SIGs even though I don't carry them anymore.
and I see people bashing Taurus all the time. I went through my academy with a Taurus PT-99 in 1997. it still shoots great after 15 years and I never had a problem with it.
the only gun I ever had a problem with was a SIG P239 in .357sig. I kept having feeding problems. I converted it over to .40cal and it worked fine. Weird since it came from the factory as a .357, but what works works.
The CM9 fits the front pocket in every pair of pants I own
But........ The 1/2 inch height increase IMHO is a huge difference
Many pistols could fit in the front pocket...... But not many come out easily
I wonder how tall some of the people are that front pocket carry the shield.
But........ The 1/2 inch height increase IMHO is a huge difference
Many pistols could fit in the front pocket...... But not many come out easily
I wonder how tall some of the people are that front pocket carry the shield.
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Chevy
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Can you (anyone) help me out and explain what this means? What do they have to do to the Shield to make it "Massachusetts compliant"? If someone that lives in Mass buys a shield that isn't "Mass compliant" can they bring it home with them?
Reevolvers
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I own a Kahr P9, and I like it a lot. It was expensive to be sure as I got the night sights. My buddy just got the shield and here is my personal take on it. The Kahr does nothing more than the M&P shield. The shield is equal in every way at a lot less money. That in and of it self leads me to believe that the M&P shield is the SUPERIOR weapon. It does the same job with some sex appeal, for a dramatically lower price. I still love my Kahr but I would buy the shield in a second over the Kahr if I was choosing that type of a gun right now based on my logic above! That's just my opinion and others may well disagree. It hard to not like the shield despite the lack of admission from folks loyal to other brands.
