Anyone else notice the irritation from Kahr owners about the shield

I have no idea what size pockets you guys that say you can carry the Shield in your pockets have, but they are waaaay bigger than mine.

I can carry a PM9 in my shorts and jeans front pocket. Draw is slower than with a J-frame since one has to sorta remove the gun without catching it on the slide.

A J-frame just comes out.

The Shield is bigger in the height and the length of the slide (at the rear) so one really has to work the gun out rather than simply drawing.

Now maybe you guys are talking about rear pocket carry. If so, I still don't get it since all my pockets would let the Shield stick out so everyone could see what is in my pocket.

If I had to do that, why not carry IWB?

I am NOT putting down the Shield, just pointing out that it's big compared to other pocket 9s.

Bob
 
straightshooter1 said:
I have no idea what size pockets you guys that say you can carry the Shield in your pockets have, but they are waaaay bigger than mine.

I can carry a PM9 in my shorts and jeans front pocket. Draw is slower than with a J-frame since one has to sorta remove the gun without catching it on the slide.

A J-frame just comes out.

The Shield is bigger in the height and the length of the slide (at the rear) so one really has to work the gun out rather than simply drawing.

Now maybe you guys are talking about rear pocket carry. If so, I still don't get it since all my pockets would let the Shield stick out so everyone could see what is in my pocket.

If I had to do that, why not carry IWB?

I am NOT putting down the Shield, just pointing out that it's big compared to other pocket 9s.

Bob
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I pocket carry in Docker's, cargo shorts,etc. I find jean pockets too tight for most guns, even the CM9 I used to carry. I usually carry IWB in those instances.
 
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Been there done that. I've shot the Kahr's on numerous occasions and I wasn't impressed. The quality of the gun didn't match the price tag and the trigger left a lot to be desired.

If I paid $650 for a gun that lacked quality, mag capacity, and a good trigger and somebody came out with something similar that was superior for $250 less I'd probably be a little salty too.

I knew as soon as S&W released the shield and reviews started pouring in that it would be an excellent gun. I've had mine a couple weeks now and it is my favorite carry pistol to date. I didn't buy mine to pocket carry although I can. I bought mine for a lightweight slender IWB carry gun and it does that better than any other pistol I've owned.

I'll leave pocket carry to the micro 380's, even then they are often too big IMO. If I absolutely cannot carry a IWB rig with dress cloths, and a 380 in the pocket also won't work I have a NAA 22LR mini revolver that can go in my pocket and be 100% undetected. It's only a 5 shot 22 but I'll take it over nothing.
 
Redneckbmxer24 said:
Been there done that. I've shot the Kahr's on numerous occasions and I wasn't impressed. The quality of the gun didn't match the price tag and the trigger left a lot to be desired.

If I paid $650 for a gun that lacked quality, mag capacity, and a good trigger and somebody came out with something similar that was superior for $250 less I'd probably be a little salty too.

I knew as soon as S&W released the shield and reviews started pouring in that it would be an excellent gun. I've had mine a couple weeks now and it is my favorite carry pistol to date. I didn't buy mine to pocket carry although I can. I bought mine for a lightweight slender IWB carry gun and it does that better than any other pistol I've owned.

I'll leave pocket carry to the micro 380's, even then they are often too big IMO. If I absolutely cannot carry a IWB rig with dress cloths, and a 380 in the pocket also won't work I have a NAA 22LR mini revolver that can go in my pocket and be 100% undetected. It's only a 5 shot 22 but I'll take it over nothing.
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I bought the combo holster grip and use the .22WMR cylinder for carry, and the .22LR for practice. Nice little revolver for pocket carry.
 
shipwreck said:
This is what I wear when I am not at work. I carry a phone, flashlight, knife, keys, a gun and more. So, I like the pockets.

I have several different pairs...


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I'm an Operating Engineer and wear them to work. Very comfortable and rugged as nails. Deep pockets,great for pocket carry.
 
Just saw a utube review where the presenter had decided to replace his CM9 with a Shield. He said he likes the CM9, but he likes the Shield more after 1000 rounds of test.
 
shipwreck said:
I am on a lot of various gun forums... I have noticed that the Kahr owners just are frothing at the gums about The Shield.

I had a Kahr PM9 until today... I just sold it today after getting my S&W Shield. I like the Shield better. However, the Kahr is a good gun too. I have not really said anything negative about it. It's just a matter of preference...

But damn... The Kahr fanatics just won't say - hey, I like the Kahr better. Some are just going out of there way with ridiculous examples and made up stuff, to some degree. Worst place is the Kahrtalk Forum, but I guess that is to be expected. But, I am seeing some of this other places to. A little here and a little there...

Damn, some of them are taking it personally.. It's like geeze, it's just another gun. Relax....

Anyone else seen any of this?
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NO!.......
 
Jus got back from the gun shop. Compared the Shield with a CM9. I bought the CM9. It IS smaller. A half inch there and a quarter inch there makes a big difference when you pocket carry.

I pocket carry almost exclusively during warm weather.

Still might get one though. But I'm not in a hurry at this point. Still have a M&P 9C that's just fine.

Should add that the Kahr was $379.00 + tax.
 
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cornchucker said:
NO!.......
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Same here. I don't visit many other gun e-forums. I have seen both guns side-by-side and have owned the PM9 for quite a while. Both guns are not jeans-front-pockets models, for me, but I do carry the PM9 in a jacket pocket in the wintertime. I could probably do the same if I had a Shield.

I liked the Shield, but since I already have the smaller gun, I couldn't think of any reason to buy one... though sooner or later, something may come to me. :D
 
Neumann said:
I own a Kahr, and could care less if others prefer the Smith Shield. It meets my needs and expectations. Based on what I've seen and read, I'd make the same decision today. If a Smith fanboy ( I'm one too) can convince me otherwise, I'm willing to listen.
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With more and more states passing concealed carry laws, the market for personal defense handguns is growing. It's a big pool, and everyone should be welcome to swim in it.

For the record, in addition to the various S&Ws in my collection, I own one of the original Kahr K9s, with the then-optional Black-T finish. It's 100% reliable, but heavy for its size, and yes, Kahr products are expensive. I don't care. Somebody liking some other pistol doesn't affect me in the slightest.
 
I have a Kahr CM9 & CW9. Both excellent Pistols. Long before that, I had, and still do a couple of S&W pistols and revolvers, as well as some other brands. I like 'em all and don't have time to bad mouth anyones choices. To each his own!
 
Kahr got it right making a 9 to the same form factor as a Walther PPK.

I can't believe Smith, Sig, and others missed the boat on this simple point all these years later and they still have no competition.
 
The only Kahr I have is the K40. Small enough to fit in the pocket but pretty heavy for that.
The only S&W auto I own is a 22A, no pocket carry here.
I was interested in the Shield till I read up on it, it has a thumb safety which is a deal killer for me in a SD gun. It looks nice though.
I learned years ago on a wheel gun, had lots of training with wheel guns.
I just don't care to learn all over again to include taking off a safety if my life is on the line.

There are too many semi-autos on the market that do not have a safety for me to try and change my ways now.
 
rck281 said:
I love my Kahr PM9 and P380 for carry. They are reliable and I like the smaller size of the PM9.
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Any problems with your P380? I want a pocket 380 and have been driving myself nuts trying to make the decision.

I want:

-Reliability
-A slide that locks back on last round
-No manual Safety
-No integrated laser

I've convinced myself that I want the Kahr (having never shot one) but am concerned based on many things I have heard. Seems as though they are quite hit and miss. Riddled with FTE, FTF, FTRTB

I also don't like the fact that Kahr says you are to chamber the first round by using the slide release/lock as opposed to racking the slide
 
I love the loyal fan boy bashing on these web sites, it's pathetic. Back to the discussion at hand, I think the shield may prove over time to be a great gun, but it's too early to declare "mission accomplished" with this weapon. I had a chance to pick up a .40 cal shield yesterday, but decided $450 for a new unproven gun was not warranted. I decided for $100 more, I could get a proven weapon, the Glock 23 gen 4. I already have true pocket pistols such as the Beretta Nano (great gun with proper ammo) and a wild Ruger LCP. If the shield still looks good next year, then I'll buy one, but full price for a new gun with limited accessories and hard to find magazines is crazy.
 
The real and final test should be to shoot it/them for comparison. Which one is the most reliable, accurate, best for consecutive shots on target etc.
 
joechaos said:
I love the loyal fan boy bashing on these web sites, it's pathetic. Back to the discussion at hand, I think the shield may prove over time to be a great gun, but it's too early to declare "mission accomplished" with this weapon. I had a chance to pick up a .40 cal shield yesterday, but decided $450 for a new unproven gun was not warranted. I decided for $100 more, I could get a proven weapon, the Glock 23 gen 4. I already have true pocket pistols such as the Beretta Nano (great gun with proper ammo) and a wild Ruger LCP. If the shield still looks good next year, then I'll buy one, but full price for a new gun with limited accessories and hard to find magazines is crazy.
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Have you actually seen the internals of the Shield? It's nothing new, almost identical to the other larger M&Ps which have proven over time. However, there has been some improvements made, such as an audible reset with the Shield. As for the price of the Shield, it is a bargain when you consider that it is the same quality of the M&Ps, but about a $100.00 less .. it's a good deal. I paid $399 for my Shield.

M&P SHIELD SHOOTING REVIEW - YouTube
 
They can't admit the Shield is just as good if not better at a lower price.
 
Well, I paid $650 + tax for the Pm9 I had with factory night sights, about 2.5 years ago. But, I think the Shield is more comparible to the Pm9, as the sights are dovetailed on the front like the PM9.
 
blujax01 said:
Which begs the question:

Is the Shield to be considered more equal to the CM9 ($400) or the PM9 ($650)?
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Equal in who's mind? Depends on the buyer. Either gun will serve it's purpose depending on what the buyer wants/needs.

Like I said in my previous post, the Kahr is slightly smaller. I have no doubts that the Shield is a good gun. But I decided it wasn't for me.

My M&P 9C serves a dual purpose. Warm weather concealment with a flush fit mag and cool weather concealment with a full size mag and X-Grip adapter.

The Kahr is for pocket carry only.

Arguing the merits of either gun doesn't make sense. At least we have more to choose from.

The next argument will be when the Springfield XDS 45 hits the shelves.;):rolleyes:
 
shipwreck said:
Well, I paid $650 + tax for the Pm9 I had with factory night sights, about 2.5 years ago. But, I think the Shield is more comparible to the Pm9, as the sights are dovetailed on the front like the PM9.
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If dovetailed sights are important to you then maybe they are comparible. But in most cases, size is the biggest consideration. Other factors which may be more important to some are the trigger and the manual safety. But again, the determining factor in my purchase of the Kahr was size.
 
I was answering the question posed by the other guy. Which one of the Kahrs would be comparable to the Shield - either the PM9 or the cheaper version. THAT was my analysis of HIS question.

Now, I've stated many times (maybe even further up on this thread) - I HAD a PM9. I got the Shield, and decided that I liked the Shield more. The Kahr is a little smaller. But honestly, not by much. For pocket carry in the clothes I wear, or IWB carry - the size between the two guns is nil for me. But, the trigger is better on the Shield, IMHO. I also can double tap with it better, and I like the gun overall more. Plus, the Shield has a noticable less amount of recoil.

I sold my PM9 a week ago, as I knew I'd never use it again. And, I have plans to buy a 2nd Shield, as soon as I locate another.
 
Are the PM9 and CM9 the same size? If so, are the features and quality you get with the Shield closer to those of the PM9 or the CM9?
 
blujax01 said:
Are the PM9 and CM9 the same size? If so, are the features and quality you get with the Shield closer to those of the PM9 or the CM9?
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The PM and CM Kahrs are indeed the same size. The basic differences are the PM has a polygonal rifled barrel, dovetailed front sight, machined slide stop lever, roll marking on the slide and comes standard with a second magazine. The CM has a conventional rifled barrel, pinned front sight, MIM slide stop lever, simple engraving on the slide and comes standard with one magazine. The features of the Shield probably falls in between both of the Kahrs. Quality is subjective. I've owned and confidently carried a PM9 for more than ten years. That statement speaks for itself on my impression of it. I've only had the Shield for about a month, but preliminarily believe it's going to give the PM9 a run for its money.
 
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skiphreak said:
Any problems with your P380? I want a pocket 380 and have been driving myself nuts trying to make the decision.

I want:

-Reliability
-A slide that locks back on last round
-No manual Safety
-No integrated laser

I've convinced myself that I want the Kahr (having never shot one) but am concerned based on many things I have heard. Seems as though they are quite hit and miss. Riddled with FTE, FTF, FTRTB

I also don't like the fact that Kahr says you are to chamber the first round by using the slide release/lock as opposed to racking the slide
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I've had a P380 for about a year and a half. I have had absolutely zero problems with it. I have put a bunch of my reloads and lots of range ammo through it as well as several types of defensive ammo.
It replaced a Ruger LCP that I bought when they first came out. They are true pocket guns, but the Kahr is head and shoulders above the LCP. Much easier to shoot recoil wise and servicable sights.I can shoot the P380 better than any snubbie I've ever tried.
No matter what is on my belt the P380 is in my pocket.
 
shipwreck said:
I am on a lot of various gun forums... I have noticed that the Kahr owners just are frothing at the gums about The Shield.

I had a Kahr PM9 until today... I just sold it today after getting my S&W Shield. I like the Shield better. However, the Kahr is a good gun too. I have not really said anything negative about it. It's just a matter of preference...

But damn... The Kahr fanatics just won't say - hey, I like the Kahr better. Some are just going out of there way with ridiculous examples and made up stuff, to some degree. Worst place is the Kahrtalk Forum, but I guess that is to be expected. But, I am seeing some of this other places to. A little here and a little there...

Damn, some of them are taking it personally.. It's like geeze, it's just another gun. Relax....

Anyone else seen any of this?
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Being both a S&W and Kahr owner (among more than a half dozen other brands of quality firearms), what they are talking about is no different than what is being written in this thread, just the other brand of handgun.

It is silly to see such threads being started by both sides about the other.
 
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