Anyone else want a new DA/SA 45?

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Since the current company known as s&w has finally decided to make a new hammer fired, metal framed pistol - and contrary to what one or two trolls have repearedly told us here, it does NOT cost $1K ;) - does anyone else want a DA/SA 45?

Maybe a new, redesigned CS45. Thin, like the shield 45. With a 7 round mag. Armornight finish. Thin Xenoy plastic grips with rounded mag baseplate. A decent trigger without the stupid dingus on the face. An optional safety. Frame mounted decocker. Commander style hammer with a beavertail just big enough to prevent hammer bite. Aluminum framed. And Novak night sights of course.

I don't want a rail and don't care about it being cut for optics or not. And capacity is not a concern, to me.

Yea, I would buy one like that. How about you? Regards 18DAI
 
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I have an HK45. S&W can't compete with that DA/SA no matter how hard they tried.

There are still lots of Sig P-220's out there also.

Futile endeavor IMO. 45 DA/SA is a great pistol though.
 
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18DAI said:
Since the current company known as s&w has finally decided to make a new hammer fired, metal framed pistol - and contrary to what one or two trolls have repearedly told us here, it does NOT cost $1K ;) - does anyone else want a DA/SA 45?

Maybe a new, redesigned CS45. Thin, like the shield 45. With a 7 round mag. Armornight finish. Thin Xenoy plastic grips with rounded mag baseplate. A decent trigger without the stupid dingus on the face. An optional safety. Frame mounted decocker. Commander style hammer with a beavertail just big enough to prevent hammer bite. Aluminum framed. And Novak night sights of course.

I don't want a rail and don't care about it being cut for optics or not. And capacity is not a concern, to me.

Yea, I would buy one like that. How about you? Regards 18DAI
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18DAI, you just described exactly what I would like to see next from S&W. I'd settle for a 4566 remake with an aluminum frame option (4553, was it?). The longer I'm retired, the more I find myself getting nostalgic for the first semi-autos we carried; 645, followed by 4506. I carried a 4516 as a plain-clothes pistol and off-duty. I also carried a 3913 or a 669 for off-duty. In fact, I just bought a 3913 that should arrive at my FFL Friday. Now trying to find a 4566 and a 669/6906 to round them out. I'm very ready to get away from the plastic pistols after all the years we carried them. I retired and disposed of all but one of my Glocks; a G19. I like the M&P 2.0 pistols and have a number of them and the Shields, but I'm ready to go back to the Gun.3s for EDC.
 
Blued steel and one in stainless.
45 Super.... with 45ACP barrel.
DA/SA
Safety/Decocker.
Optics ready with co-witness irons.
3.5" to 6" barrels.
12+1
Trigger as perfect as possible.
No safety warnings scratched on gun.

I'll take two please.
 
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I'm good. I have a CS45 and a 4516-1.

The CSX was a disappointment. If it was traditional TDA, I would have been on it like a starving dog on a pork chop.

SAO, meh, pass.

And could they have come up with a better name?

CSX makes me think of trains, just like Walther's CCP makes me think of either the old Soviet Union or of the modern day Chinese Communist Party.

JMHO YMMV.
 
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Hard pass on anything with an aluminum frame, even if alloyed with scandium or lithium, NOPE!. I don't care for the wear characteristics when running steel components directly against aluminum. The softer metal gives way every time.

I would prefer some manner of composite frame. A composition of a chassis of high strength wear resistant stainless steel like 17-4 which comprises of frame rails and all the pin bores for accurately locating the lockwork. Combine that with a polymer component for the grip/magwell section. These could either be formed and molded together into a single part or have the steel section detachable from the grip as in the Staccato 2011 design.

I favor a two piece frame since I can certainly do without the accessory rail. I get that folks like to fasten all kinds of gadgetry to their pistols. And those gadgets certainly do make a ton of $$$ for the folks who make & sell them. That stuff belongs on a carbine in my view. Maybe if we roll with the detachable grip module, buyers can choose whether they want a non-snaggy rail free version or they want the ability to mount a laser aiming IR coffee maker module with bluetooth connectivity to their ccw and choose the railed grip module. And... make the polymer frame section a easily available part so if one changes their mind later they can easily swap it out.

Current crop that's in the ballpark my my reckoning except for the bloody rail of course...

H&K HK45, P30 and others
CZ Polymer Omega series
FNH FNX Series

Those are it as far as I know. I didn't pay much attention to Shot and there may be others. And I don't even want to talk about anything striker fired.

Cheers
Bill
 
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BMCM said:
Hard pass on anything with an aluminum frame, even if alloyed with scandium or lithium, NOPE!. I don't care for the wear characteristics when running steel components directly against aluminum. The softer metal gives way every time.

I would prefer some manner of composite frame. A composition of a chassis of high strength wear resistant stainless steel like 17-4 which comprises of frame rails and all the pin bores for accurately locating the lockwork. Combine that with a polymer component for the grip/magwell section. These could either be formed and molded together into a single part or have the steel section detachable from the grip as in the Staccato 2011 design.

I favor towards a two piece frame since I can certainly do without the accessory rail. I get that folks like to fasten all kinds of gadgetry to their pistols. And those gadgets certainly do make a ton of $$$ for the folks who make & sell them. That stuff belongs on a carbine in my view. maybe if we roll with the detachable grip module, buyers can choose whether they want a non-snaggy rail free version or they want the ability to mount a laser aiming IR coffee maker module with bluetooth connectivity to their ccw and choose the railed grip module. And... make the polymer frame section a easily available part so if one changes their mind later they can easily swap it out.

Current crop that's in the ballpark my my reckoning except for the bloody rail of course...

H&K HK45, P30 and others
CZ Polymer Omega series
FNH FNX Series

Those are it as far as I know. I didn't pay much attention to Shot and there may be others. And I don't even want to talk about anything striker fired.

Cheers
Bill
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hey Bill you would absolutely love the cz P-09
19+1
 
BMCM said:
And... With the addition of CZ SKU-545900000088 (+2 baseplate) to your mags it's 21+1 and 17+1 for the compact

Yup, that P-07 and P-09 have been on my radar for some time now even with the rail:rolleyes:

Cheers
Bill
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The P-07 was what drew me to hammer fired pistols.👍 shooting that Drew me to the P –09 .. loving the hammer fired pistols drew me to 3rd gen.🥰
 
I like the updated 4563 idea. I own a LE Special order 4563TSW. Rail free with no holes in the dustcover. Really nice 45. I need to break it out this week. :)

A melonite finish model 4563 would be sweet! Sort of like my PC 4563 45CQB Prototype.

I completely understand the aversion to aluminum framed 45s BMCM! My all steel 3rd Gen 45s are in great condition after many thousands of rounds. My aluminum framed 3rd Gen 45s, with less rounds through them, in MOST cases, show considerable wear.

BUT I have yet to crack a frame on one or had a wear related issue with a frame. Even with my 9K+ 457 that you worked on upgrading for me. Still runs great. I DO change recoil springs regularly and use TW25b lube though. I like your idea of a steel subset chassis, inset in an aluminum frame! :)

Sig 220s are nice guns! I have had a couple of those and a P245 as well. I found them thicker than my 4566s, 4563 and 4513s. So I sold them. But I may own another in the future. They are accurate 45s. And in a DA/SA metal framed, duty size pistol......pretty much the only game in town - in a NEW gun. ;)

To those who would say there is not a market for hammer fired metal framed guns, I would disagree. Springfield Armory, CZ and others see the market too. And when I worked in the Godforsaken gunshop many customers preferred a used metal framed hammer fired pistol, to a new plastic striker fired one. Not a huge percentage - but more than you would imagine. And those who shoot mine at the range often go off in search of one for themselves.

In my old line of work, we called that a clue. ;) Regards 18DAI
 
BMCM:
Bill, I have to disagree with you on the wear characteristics of Aluminum frames. My first LW Colt Commander that I bought maybe 52-53years ago went many thousands of rounds without difficulty EXCEPT for the .45 JHP rounds that were called the "flying ashtrays" (think they were SuperVels?). Those would scar the feed ramp, so I only shot FMJ. I now carry frequently a Ruger LW Commander size pistol, which has solved the scratched feed ramp with a Titanium insert. Had it since 2018 and, although I don't shoot it as often and I used to (I'll be 79 next month), I'll not likely ever were it out.
Joe
 
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BMCM:
Bill, I have to disagree with you on the wear characteristics of Aluminum frames. My first LW Colt Commander that I bought maybe 52-53years ago went many thousands of rounds without difficulty EXCEPT for the .45 JHP rounds that were called the "flying ashtrays" (think they were SuperVels?). Those would scar the feed ramp, so I only shot FMJ. I now carry frequently a Ruger LW Commander size pistol, which has solved the scratched feed ramp with a Titanium insert. Had it since 2018 and, although I don't shoot it as often and I used to (I'll be 79 next month), I'll not likely ever were it out.
Joe
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On your 1911 Browning locked breech tilting barrel design, the breech end of the barrel is pulled downward and unlocked from the slide by the action of the barrel link which is pinned to the frame by the slide stop. Note that in this system the barrel is fastened to the frame through the barrel link.

My assertion specifically speaks to S&W's take on the Browning tilting barrel system. Here the barrel is not attached to the frame in any fashion. Instead of a barrel link riding on a pin, there are angled camming lugs milled into the frame that mesh with opposing lugs milled into the barrel and this performs the unlocking. On a 4506 for example, upon firing the slide & barrel travel rearward about 5/32" until the barrel is halted by striking the frame camming lugs and the barrel breech end is pulled downward to unlock. That 5/32" rearward travel before unlock is also the distance between the barrel and frame camming lugs when in battery. When fired the barrel/slide assembly travels rearward rather briskly until the barrel lugs strike the frame lugs with some force and begin unlocking the breech. Not much of an issue on an all steel piece but on an aluminum frame, those frame camming lugs take a severe beating. I often see significant wear on the frame lugs even on relative well cared for pieces. Others not so well care for are destined for the recycle bin.

While the S&W rendition of Browning's locked breech tilting barrel design has some advantages... Less parts, longer delay in unlocking, and stronger. The disadvantage as I see it is the barrel is basically in freeflight rearward until stopped by the frame camming lugs and when you introduce an aluminum frame, those frame camming lugs take quite a beating vastly moreso than it's steel counterpart.

This one reason why I think SIG is on to something with the M17/18. Not the fact that it's just another striker fire gun. I'm specifically referring to the removable fire control module which incorporates the stainless steel frame rails and all the lockwork into a single removable module. Take that fire control module stick it in the grip module of your color & choosing then affix a compact or full size slide assembly in your preferred chambering. Lots of possibilities there and as light or lighter than an aluminum frame piece. :D

Cheers
Bill
 
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Late to the conversation here, but it's time to end the thread. If S&W made another one of these I'd be first in line, there is no better production DA/SA 45 ever made by the mothership. I'm still trying to wear out the one I do have.

Enter the Recon 45.

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