Anyone heard this rumor?

[growr]

So THAT'S where all of the rimfire is going!!! Who would have thought that and because it is on the internet it HAS to be true. I knew I should have invested in more tactical .22's!!

 

[shouldazagged]

Is there a High Point forum? If so, what are you doing there? Traitor!

I hear he's a moderator on the Lorcin forum.

 

[Hodgin]

I've heard the same thing. The explanation I heard was that the 9mm held more rounds and was a bit easier to shoot accurately.

 

[Dennis The B]

They should go back to 357 magnum.

They were issued .357 Magnum revolvers (Model 13's), but not .357 ammo. Issue ammo was a .38 Special +P 158gr LSWCHP. They only got .357 ammo for special purposes, not general use.

 

[woodsltc]

If they switch maybe they will be returning all of the millions of rounds of .40 S&W ammo they bought up so we can buy it!!

Don

 

[Engieman]

My understanding (from a reliable, but unnamed highly placed source), is this administration wants to take all the guns away from the Federal Law Enforcement Agencies to include the FBI, and replace the agents arsenal with a skill set that includes advanced sensitivity training, an understanding of cultural and diversity differences, and specialized negotiation skills. Once we understand that all criminals are the way they are is from a challenging childhood, mean abusive Mother's, and lure of illegal drugs; they'll be no need for guns. Agents will however holster a large thermos of expensive, exotic coffee to stimulate the conversation and set the appropriate mood. The classic, blue-collar Thermos container will no longer be the dated marbled pale green; but will be offered in a variety of shades to coordinate with the day's attire, shoes, belt, etc.

 

[finesse_r]

I think they should go back to being unarmed...period (as someone else would say)

I agree. Anywhere citizens are prohibited from carrying so should any federal agent or employee be prohibited from carrying.

Also if it is a felony to lie to a federal agent, it should likewise be a felony for any federal agent or politician to lie to a citizen or to the public in general.

Like my old pappy used to say, what is good for the goose is better or worse or something like that…..

 

[BJoe]

Maybe they should stress marksmanship over caliber and not care what caliber gun the agents carry.

But then, that's not a rumor I heard on the internet so it can't be true.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many rounds were fired in the 'Miami Shootout'.....100-150 at TWO guys.

 

[SweetMK]

So THAT'S where all of the rimfire is going!!! Who would have thought that and because it is on the internet it HAS to be true. I knew I should have invested in more tactical .22's!!

Actually, it is going to be a .41 caliber, to negate the interchangeability with either 9MM or 40 bullets.

The cartridge will be a reverse bottleneck.

This has been in development for some 23 days.

Management feels that is enough development time, it is ready for full implementation.

The 41 Rimfire has repeatedly proven itself in its capability of dealing with attempted mortuary escapes.

 

[zzzippper]

It will be interesting to see what load they select for it. Modern 9mm loads make it a whole new game.

 

[the ringo kid]

You mean the existing contracts to allow them to buy up to a certain amount at a fixed price over the next few years? There is no billion round stock pile of unused ammo sitting around in a government warehouse to keep it out of the hands of citizens or drive the price up.

Rest assurred, they will find that long forgotten stash in 70 years.

 

[the ringo kid]

Why all the confusing talk of several calibers? just make it a standard 45.

 

[Smitty357]

Sweet, when they start carrying 9mm. I'm taking my .40 Shield and i'll start carrying around the 9mm barrel in it. Then i can be cool like them.

What they are carrying, is useless to me. It's not like any of them are going to be throwing u any ammo during a fire fight. =-)

 

[Texas Star]

There are also frequent rumors that the M-9 Beretta is being replaced by the military. I'll believe these stories when they happen.

If the FBI change occurs, I hope that SIG P-220 or another resident agent here will tell us.

I would like to see the Bureau get away from the Glock.

 

[Smoke]

You can believe whatever you want.

Yup and it doesn't even have to be true

 

[jdh]

You can believe whatever you want.

And you can continue to see the boogie man under your bed every night.

 

[jdh]

There are also frequent rumors that the M-9 Beretta is being replaced by the military. I'll believe these stories when they happen.

Which is why they just let a contract for an additional 275,000 of them.

 

[Naples22]

I saw this posted on another board but, it was really sketchy and, not much detail.

There is apparently a rumor going around that the FBI is going to switch calibers again and probably going from the 40 S&W to 9mm. Just wondering if anyone has heard this rumor or if it is fact and not rumor and if it is fact what they will be going to.

If it's on the internet it's certainly true. I heard they were going from 40S&W to Daisey Air Rifles. training will consist of shooting eyes out.

 

[Doug M.]

DHS placed the order, because they have a ton of agencies and personnel. The FBI is in DOJ. Separate and distinct entities and chains of command until one gets to the very top (POTUS).

The "Miami" (it did not happen in Miami, but nearby) shootout is an interesting reference. First, because it is the most significant incident since Newhall in terms of lessons learned about tactics. FBI agents are not cops, so tactics related to vehicle stops and associated violent resistance were not a front burner issue for them. Second, because it was the incident that resulted in modern handgun ballistics research. Third, because those agents had to fight through a crummy tactical situation against serious and arguably better armed opponents - none of the agents had a rifle. It taught us a lot about the nature of fighting against dedicated offenders, a lesson that is vital to LE of all types, and foreign to the cop haters who infest certain forums on the web, one in particular coming to mind. I avoid that one like the plague, and wish that most of its vocal members would put their bandwidth into adult entertainment research and self-gratification so they don't spout so much drivel, and hopefully never breed.

 

[Faulkner]

There are also frequent rumors that the M-9 Beretta is being replaced by the military. I'll believe these stories when they happen.

If the FBI change occurs, I hope that SIG P-220 or another resident agent here will tell us.

I would like to see the Bureau get away from the Glock.

Now you had to go there and disrespect the best duty carry handgun ever devised.

 

[rwsmith]

Easy..

So...what will they do with the billions of .40 ammo already ordered?

...dispose of it.

 

[S&W357]

Not that i heard anything. They use 40 cal. after they killed that *** hole that took the towers down. I don't see any of them going to a 9. You know it was a Sig 40 that took him out with red laser but i don't think is was the sig 900 laser.

 

[Doug M.]

That's DOD, and SOCOM units like the SEALS more or less carry what they want. Of course, we should never have known what branch, let alone unit, did that, but that's another discussion not in need of a thread drift.

 

[BJoe]

Now you had to go there and disrespect the best duty carry handgun ever devised.

 

[M3Stuart]

There are also frequent rumors that the M-9 Beretta is being replaced by the military. I'll believe these stories when they happen...

Oh yea, and the rumor about replacing the M-16/M-4 is probably from the same "source".

 

[therevjay]

So...what will they do with the billions of .40 ammo already ordered?

Dump it in the ocean and have us buy them some 9mm. Shoot it's only OPM ! (other peoples money)

 

[sigp220.45]

I've heard the same thing, from inside the Bureau. Nothing official, and I doubt anything will happen until the whole budget fiasco is worked out.

We issue 9mm, .40, .45, and 10mm (for the MP5/10) now, so it would just be a matter of changing the amount of future orders. I've been through a few gun changes (1076 to Sig to Glock) and its done mostly by attrition. New guys get the new guns, as old guy's guns are sent in for maintenance they get swapped out, and agents retire and their guns get smelted.

The current 9mm load is a 147 grain Gold Dot, so that is most likely what the new issue would be.

I suspect .40s will remain in the inventory for a long time, maybe only as POWs (personally owned weapons).

As far as FBI ammo supply goes, it is the lowest I've seen in 22 years. Play ammo used to be a nice bennie, now it is mostly a thing of the past. Budget reasons. The billion round order silliness has been beaten to death. Its just contracting, and its just DHS, not the Bureau. The gun store ammo shelves are groaning with .40 ammo in my neck of the woods - the only thing still scarce is rimfire ammo - so if it was a nefarious plot to keep ammo out of the hands of citizens it didn't work very well.

FYI, Bureau agents have always been armed when needed, even prior to the legislation that codified the practice. Being armed was considered a part of the job, and agents engaged in shootouts before Hoover even took over. What legislation authorized the U.S. Marshal's to be armed?

The above is my personal reflection and not the opinion of the Bureau.

 

[Nightowl]

Nothing would surprise me about this administration, but since the Feds just let a large multiagency contract for Glock .40's just a year or so ago, and about a billion rounds of ammo, why change......??OH, yeah, we are swimming in money and need someplace to spend it.

 

[Philadelphia Patriot]

It makes a lot of sense for them to switch to the 9mm. In the recent edition of American Rifleman, there is an article that discusses Federal's HST and Guard Dog rounds. After the Miami-Date shootout the FBI wanted a better bullet. Federal came up with the Hydra Shok in the 1990s. The FBI eventually wanted a better bullet, so Federal took the Hydra Shok and made it better. They created the HST. The HST is a BONDED bullet that doesn't clog as much as the Hydra Shok. The BONDED bullet also allows greater velocities (deeper penetration), but the bullet will retain more weight and expand more reliably.

With the advancement of self defense ammo, why not use a more cost effective round that is also easier and more accurate to shoot for most shooters?

 

[Doug M.]

Nothing would surprise me about this administration, but since the Feds just let a large multiagency contract for Glock .40's just a year or so ago, and about a billion rounds of ammo, why change......??OH, yeah, we are swimming in money and need someplace to spend it.

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Many other agencies carry G22s. The Bureau is not the only federal LE agency by a long shot, and probably not even a major factor in purchasing compared to the other agencies.