I carry my 4014 on the weekends when I know I won't have to holster/reholster a lot. On the weekdays, I have to unholster to drop kids off at school or when I go to work, so I normally carry a sig p290rs or a s&w bodyguard 380 in my pocket.
Anyone here USING 3rd gens?
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HOUSTON RICK
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I did carry the CS9 and CS45 for over 15 years and still sometimes do, but have primarily switched to a Model 340 PD. But some of my third gens make every range trip.
The_Truth
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1076 is one of my favorite hand guns of all time, although I rarely carry it anymore. I do carry my BMCM 4053 10mm quite a bit. It's so perfect. Need a 1086 to go with it.
CCW :
1. Model 6906
2. Model 4006
3. Model 457
4. Model 645
I carry the Model 457 more than the other three as it feels "Just Right"
1. Model 6906
2. Model 4006
3. Model 457
4. Model 645
I carry the Model 457 more than the other three as it feels "Just Right"
I carry my 6906 a lot. It has been modified by Teddy Jacobson (Actions by T) and I have 7 mags with spare new springs and followers for the mags. I usually carry this gun whenever I wear gym shorts or sweat pants because I have a fanny pack(don't laugh) holster that fits it perfectly. I like how it fits my hand and how it shoots and the weight doesn't bother me.
Some people say that they would carry a 3rd gem, yet the possibility of the pistol ending up into the evidence locker stops them from doing so. I understand their point. But i disagree in the major degree. Here is why. I cc for one reason and one reason only, and that is in case someone wants to harm me, I may have a fighting chance against them. If (God forbid,) this moment ever arrises, where I will run out of options,and will be forced to gun down another human being, then I want to have by my side the best there is. And no my friends, plastic toys that cost 50 cents to manufacture but cost actual pistol prices to buy, are not the best there is. (Regardless manufacturer) 3rd gems were preety much the last human succesfull effort to mass produce a beyond well made semiautomatic series of pistols, and that was a third century ago. Since then, the "lowest bidder" has been the name of the game. Therefore, I will stick to the pistols that have been feeding empty cases as a true statement of reliability, and I will not sucumb to what Hollywood projects as cool and must have equipment. I am not 25 anymore. I know better. So, If I end up allive after a posiible shootout, the pistol has performed its duty, and I am greateful. Farewell to it, and off to get an identical one asap for replacement. If not, then the evidence locker will not be a concern for me anymore. Just my two cents.
kbm6893
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I agree worrying about a nice gun being confiscated for evidence is stupid. The odds of any of us even using a gun in self defense is so low to begin with that it’s a non-issue for me. Secondly, I’d have far more things on my mind then worrying about it to begin with. Trauma at being in a shooting to begin with. Trauma of taking a human life. Financial issues of hiring lawyer for either criminal or civil defense. Even if I’m not charged either criminally or civilly I’m not talking to the cops without a lawyer. Worry about possible retribution from the assailants more than likely low life friends and family. Replacing a gun wouldn’t even be on my radar.
But show me where a lighter and smaller plastic gun is less reliable. Feeding empty cases? Some do and some don’t. Who cares? I care about feeding live rounds and expending spent brass. Quality plastic guns do that just fine. Glocks aren’t my thing but they sure do take a beating. Any other quality plastic gun does as well.
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I carried 3rd Gens for several years (3914LS, 3913, 5906, 915) after I left the C&L community...
Despite it's ideal size, I never could warm up to the CS9, and stuck with the 39xx for most of the CCW work.
A few years back I went to the dark side, and now a SIG P365 follows me around almost exclusively. Never thought I'd be a Striker guy, but it's hard to beat the weight, size, and capacity. I can't say I shoot it better, or worse. I'd have no problem going back to the 3914, though. I have less through those guns than a lot of folks here, but for the thousands I did put through them, never once did I see a hiccup.
Despite it's ideal size, I never could warm up to the CS9, and stuck with the 39xx for most of the CCW work.
A few years back I went to the dark side, and now a SIG P365 follows me around almost exclusively. Never thought I'd be a Striker guy, but it's hard to beat the weight, size, and capacity. I can't say I shoot it better, or worse. I'd have no problem going back to the 3914, though. I have less through those guns than a lot of folks here, but for the thousands I did put through them, never once did I see a hiccup.
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I purchased my 3953 in 1991, that after getting my required rounds thru, replaced my 669.
The 3953 has been my EDC handgun since (with the exception of when I need to pocket carry, etc, at which time my 642 takes over).
I have a Shield ready to take over (plenty of rounds down range and convinced of it's reliability) but it's a lot harder then I thought to replace the 3953 after almost 30 years.
The 3953 has been my EDC handgun since (with the exception of when I need to pocket carry, etc, at which time my 642 takes over).
I have a Shield ready to take over (plenty of rounds down range and convinced of it's reliability) but it's a lot harder then I thought to replace the 3953 after almost 30 years.
Thank you! my point exactly friend. If they feed empties, imagine what they do to live rounds. And it is not some do some dont. Unless a 3rd gem was tampered with or worn to bits,, chances are 99.9% it does feed empties. And yes, plastic is iinerior. by far. I might recosider this when landmark battle rifles, as well as light and heavy machine guns come out in vast productions with plastic frames. I will trully be convinced when naval guns, artillery, and airforce come out with plastic turets, trails, firing platforms, and so on so forth (those would be benefited the most by the weight reduction that the plastic has to offer.) Untill then I can only say that an 870 and a 500 remain stronger framed shotguns than the indeed quality, plastic framed Nova in 12 Ga. Oh, plus heavier pistols make accurate shooting easier.
Nothing the matter with carrying what works for you. It would be foolish to do otherwise.
I use to tell my students that there are more than one way to skin a cat. If a particular hold or stance worked well for them - enabling them to get fast accurate hits - then USE IT!
I carry 3rd gen 45s because they work for me. Very well. I chose 45 because of what I witnessed working robbery/homicide. When the day comes that I can no longer shoot 45s accurately and quickly, I will go to 9mm. I own several nice ones. Or maybe a 357 snub. I have a few of those still.
I recently reevaluated my handgun needs. Lets face it, my guns are getting older - as I am and like me, they have high round counts.
And after shooting Sigs, Nighthawks, Colts, Wilson Combat, CZ and several other makes/models I didn't find one that I could shoot as fast and accurately as a 3rd gen 45. I figure I have 10 to 12 years left of carrying a gun everyday......maybe.
So, I had a local Smith go through my 4506-1 "pawnshop rescue" a 4566 and a 4516. He detail stripped and cleaned them all. And told me that I have no issues or worrys with any of them. He certified them GTG. So those are the guns that will be used by me.
And of course the minute I come across a clean 4506-1 "dash 3", with adjustable sights, I will he buying it. Regards 18DAI
I use to tell my students that there are more than one way to skin a cat. If a particular hold or stance worked well for them - enabling them to get fast accurate hits - then USE IT!
I carry 3rd gen 45s because they work for me. Very well. I chose 45 because of what I witnessed working robbery/homicide. When the day comes that I can no longer shoot 45s accurately and quickly, I will go to 9mm. I own several nice ones. Or maybe a 357 snub. I have a few of those still.
I recently reevaluated my handgun needs. Lets face it, my guns are getting older - as I am and like me, they have high round counts.
And after shooting Sigs, Nighthawks, Colts, Wilson Combat, CZ and several other makes/models I didn't find one that I could shoot as fast and accurately as a 3rd gen 45. I figure I have 10 to 12 years left of carrying a gun everyday......maybe.
So, I had a local Smith go through my 4506-1 "pawnshop rescue" a 4566 and a 4516. He detail stripped and cleaned them all. And told me that I have no issues or worrys with any of them. He certified them GTG. So those are the guns that will be used by me.
And of course the minute I come across a clean 4506-1 "dash 3", with adjustable sights, I will he buying it.
Regards 18DAIDon't know why a lot of folks think there is only one way.... generally their way ...... of doing something.
I've got a lot of years and rounds down range developing muscle memory....too late to teach this old dog new tricks..... besides my eyes aren't what they use to be (bullseye for me is a thing of the past)....... but I can still get the job done...........
with my large accumulation of 3rd Gen Smith autos
Doc1500
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I used to carry CZ P-07 and P-09 now carry S&W 4516 - 1 w/RDS
A 642-1 is what I carry most of the time, but I do have some 3rd gens in the rotation mostly for Sunday mornings when I have a cover garment. Those include a 4513 TSW, 3953 TSW, and a 4013 TSW. I'd like to eventually acquire a CS9 or CS40 for pocket carry. I usually take at least one 3rd Gen on every range trip.
BAM-BAM there are A LOT of folks who are like that. Unfortunately, some of them call themselves "instructors".
I see it almost everyday at the gunshop. Folks come in looking for a small 380 - even though they have never shot one - because their "CCW instructor" told them it was what they needed.
And a lot of people, who have the sense to seek out training, wind up getting BAD training. And paying a lot for it too. I don't know what the solution is....?
Caveat Emptor. Regards 18DAI
I see it almost everyday at the gunshop. Folks come in looking for a small 380 - even though they have never shot one - because their "CCW instructor" told them it was what they needed.
And a lot of people, who have the sense to seek out training, wind up getting BAD training. And paying a lot for it too. I don't know what the solution is....?
Caveat Emptor.
Regards 18DAIsquidsix
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4566 on my waist as we speak in a Galco Combat Master for Sig P220.
3914 in my pack.
Wandering the wilderness of Franklin County, Maine
3914 in my pack.
Wandering the wilderness of Franklin County, Maine
kbm6893
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When I used to qualify with my Glock 19, the range officers would simulate a malfunction by telling us to feed two empties randomly into the mag so we’d run through the tap rack bang drill. It wasn’t an issue feeding those empties.
Feeding empties doesn’t make a gun more reiiable. Why not take a poll here and ask if anybody has EVER had a malfunction in a 3rd gen. Nothing is perfect.
3rd gens are great. I’m only left with two. I like them because of the features. But I don’t feel any less reliably armed with my Shield or Ruger LC9S.
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