Anyone qualified under HR218?

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Our sheriff opened his range with his instructors to allow retired LEO's the opportunity to qualify to carry concealed under the new hr218 law.
You must carry the gun the qualify with to remain "in compliance". I shot my sig 9mm first and then qualified with my Smith 340 M&P. I couldnt believe it but I shot a smaller group with the SMith. That included two mandatory reloads at 15 yards. Really only one was required but it is hard to get 12 rounds off with a 5 shot revolver.
Not one of the 40 officers wanted their brass so I got to keep about 1600 rounds of once fired pistol brass.
 
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Our sheriff opened his range with his instructors to allow retired LEO's the opportunity to qualify to carry concealed under the new hr218 law.
You must carry the gun the qualify with to remain "in compliance". I shot my sig 9mm first and then qualified with my Smith 340 M&P. I couldnt believe it but I shot a smaller group with the SMith. That included two mandatory reloads at 15 yards. Really only one was required but it is hard to get 12 rounds off with a 5 shot revolver.
Not one of the 40 officers wanted their brass so I got to keep about 1600 rounds of once fired pistol brass.
 
Yes..twice.
Timed reloads and weak-hand stong-hand drill.
We have to wait for the regular coppers to finish the line.
They have to now qualify with duty gun, off duty gun, shotgun, and tazer.
Took forever.

State carry..is every 4 years.
Federal carry..yearly.
 
I haven't, but there is a local Career Center (vocational school) and even a shooting range that run HR218 requals. (I qualify as retired under HR218, but I'm on my second career, so I shoot with my new dept.)
 
Yes. In Texas you can be qualified by a certified law enforcement instructor or a certified concealed carry instructor. Then the state will issue a qualification card for $25 per year. You also have to have a card from your former agency stating that you meet the requirements of HR 218 - retired in good statnding etc.

I have both the regular concealed carry permit and the HR218 cards in case I travel through a state that doesn't recognize the regular concealed carry permit.
 
My former agency has held LEOSA qualification ranges for all its eligible retirees for the past three (3) years.

Up until this year, there had been only a half a dozen range sites scattered across the Commonwealth, but this year there are some twenty (20) or so, making it more convenient for everybody.

Big D, you say, "The oldest active qualifier in MD is 80 years old. Instructors said he has no trouble qualifying but a bit of difficulty hearing the range commands".

I believe that he's older than our oldest, but, even so, some of our guys CAN'T hear it thunder!
 
IL was one of the first states to fully implement LEOSA qual statewide. The only holdup was a couple of months waiting for the legislature to return to session so they could pass the bill giving the ILETSB the authority to implement. Once the ILETSB had the statutory authority then there were 2 issues which delayed them. Prior to, there had been no qual standards for LEO once they graduated from the academy. A LEO could graduate from training, spend 50 yrs in LE and never be required to qualify with his weapon again. The ILETSB implemented the minimum annual qual standards. This caused much whining and moaning from small towns who did not want the state telling them they had to force their officers to qualify annually in order to stay certified LEOs. Many towns complained the mandatory qual standard would cost them too much money (30 rds per LEO per year). More than at least one town publicly stated they had a part time LEO that if they required him to qual annually they were concerned he could not pass the qualification and they would be out of LE in their town. The minimum course of fire is hardly a tough qual standard and is really not much more than a weapon function check. 30 rounds toal: 12 rounds from the five yard line; 12 rounds from the seven yard line; and 6 rounds from the fifteen yard line. In order to qualify, you must place 21 hits out of 30 rounds within the 8 ½ x 14 target area - 70% proficiency.
But towns were opposed to the state forcing them to qual their officers.
Until the bill was passed there was no agency with the authority to handle it statewide, set standards, and issue cards. Even prior to the passage many agencies were qualifying their own retired officers. Springfield PD was one of the first agencies in the nation to offer qual shoots for their retirees.
Here is what IL is doing statewide for retirees if their former agencies don't qualify them.
http://www.irocc.org/
If qualifying with the ILETSB (actually the mobile training units) cost is $75 a year for one gun either revolver or auto and another $25 if qual using the other.
Agencies can qualify their own retirees and charge whatever they want. My former agency charges $5 regardless whether 1 or 2 guns. Some agencies aren't charging anything.
Agencies can set other qual standards as long as they meet the minimum standard outlined in the website. Agency standards can be tougher but not less. My agency uses the same course of fire for retirees as they use for active off duty course of fire. It's sort of like the course of fire listed above but more rds at the 15 and less at the 5. Still pretty minimal standard.
 
I qualify under the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004. I shoot a Glock 19 and a S&W 640 each year so I carry either.

Minor point, but HR 218 is not the law but rather the House version of the bill that was passed to create the law.
 
That's ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! When it was passed by Congress and signed by President Bush on July 22, 2004, it was no longer HR218 but became Public Law 108-277 (the 108 part refers to the session of Congress) AND Title 18 United States Code, Chapter 44, Sections 926B and 926C.

Henceforth, it has been CORRECTLY referred to as the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 or "LEOSA" for short.

The designation "HR218" has since been subsequently reassigned by later sessions of Congress to other completely different pieces of proposed legislation which have had no relationship to either law enforcement or firearms!
 
I have taken advantage of this incredible gift since I retired in 2005.The Illinois department I retired from has allowed us retirees to qualify during one of their monthly range qualifications for active officers and issues a yearly qualification card which we carry along with our original retired from service card.A big thanks to LEAA/FOP and all of the other police organizations that went to bat for us and didnt write us off after we retired from service.
 
ispcpt....I didn't think there was a state in the nation that didn't require officers to qualify yearly because of all the liabilities issues.... Guess these towns figure it will cost them less to pay off a probably never going to happen law suit than train and qualify people.

Bob
 
Just re-certified for the 2nd time here in South Dakota. Had to bring two "types" of firearms (semi auto and revolver) as I like to carry the Model 36 now and again. The state requalifies all the local police departments and retirees are welcome to join in with whichever department is closest to their location. $50 includes all the ammo for both types of weapons (and both years they end up issuing a few boxes to you after the shoot just because)

Within a week or two of the shoot, I received the letter from the state indicating I met the state standards and which type of weapon was qualified on. I then shrink the letter down, laminate and place in my govt issued retired ID credentials. Good for another year.

Wish they'd revisit that "type of firearm" requirement. Figure if someone was proficient in the use of a semi auto, a revolver would be a gimme.
 
That's a great deal in S. Dakota. In MD the total is $43.00 and you supply your own ammo. However, I will willingly pay just about any price for the service and the benefits received.

Be safe.
 
Originally posted by SuperMan:
ispcpt....I didn't think there was a state in the nation that didn't require officers to qualify yearly because of all the liabilities issues.... Guess these towns figure it will cost them less to pay off a probably never going to happen law suit than train and qualify people.

Bob
Several states still have no mandated annual qual requirement. That's where some of the rumors get started when someone says such and such a state doesn't "honor" LEOSA. Instead what it means is that particular state hasn't adopted any mandated annual qual yet.
 
NY is a real test...my buddy retired there and can not find any agency close to where he is that will fill the bill on being in "compliance"..one agency down in Rockland County (close to NYC) will do it but my buddy is up near Lake Placid. Can't believe there are no NY State Police/NY DOC folks that want to take advantage of this...glad I moved from there years ago...
 
The Bureau of Prisons will not qualify it's retirees, nor allow them to use the firing range here in Lompoc. To qualify, we have a state instructor certify all retirees at the local Rod & Gun Club every April.

The Bureau of Prisons will take your best years, use and abuse you and cut you loose without batting an eye...great organization!
 
I was in LE in MO for 24 years. I know live in IL and have been qualified thru HR218 for a couple of years. I want to know how this works in Chicago. Can they KMA?
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Originally posted by jkmo:
I was in LE in MO for 24 years. I know live in IL and have been qualified thru HR218 for a couple of years. I want to know how this works in Chicago. Can they KMA?
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In Maryland you may be qualified by the state PROVIDED you are a resident of Maryland, or the agency from which you retired may provide the qualifications.

Be safe.
 
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